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deadshot
06-08-2013, 08:25 PM
I am no expert by no means but I think it is time to shake up things and test the experts on their eye for spotting real or fake. With all of the, as my son would say "newbies " that collect and ask advise on the forums I have noticed that some shoot from the hip when it comes to a opinion.
Now I am not here to to judge a persons opinion but from posting on this site in the past most of the ones that chime do so with a knee jerk "FAKE" or "REAL give no reason for their conclusion.
So here we go. You tell me.
http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy117/dyn3/IMG_0913_zps598ebcf5.jpg
http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy117/dyn3/IMG_0913_zps598ebcf5.jpg
http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy117/dyn3/IMG_0911_zps1ffdd6db.jpg
http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy117/dyn3/IMG_0909_zps1d438ecb.jpg

meplat
06-08-2013, 08:53 PM
Didn't we do this before?

:confused:

deadshot
06-08-2013, 08:57 PM
Didn't we do this before?

:confused:
Yes.:D

HenryPatrick
06-08-2013, 11:01 PM
It's a m1 carbine rear sight......but seems fake, everything looks too perfect. Just my opinion.

ricco
06-09-2013, 08:08 PM
I agree W/Patrick Henry. It looks to be (to paraphase) "too prefect". At least the "S" mark. It looks "Cast", not stamped. Also the "flip" portion is cast, not machined. For what it's worth and I am not an 'expert'. It Is "pretty" though, but probably not 'real'.

gunny
06-10-2013, 01:32 AM
Looks cast and pretty clean with NO milling marks or age.

Mike in NC
06-10-2013, 11:43 AM
The aperture and base ARE cast. In the top view of the sight, you can see the parting lines from the casting running down the middle of the piece. The rippled suface on both the aperture and base are indications of them being a cast and not machined pieces. The staking on the pin is unlike any seen on a USGI flip sight. Like or not, it is a reproduction. I guess you can keep posting this flip sight and if one person chimes in that it is perhaps real, that will be the deciding vote. Not a "newby" here, been doing carbines for almost 20 years.

deadshot
06-11-2013, 05:07 PM
I had the site looked at by two very reliable sources a master machinist/tool and die maker and a dealer collector. Their conclusion was that it is a rebuild. The base is original and the sight is a aftermarket replacement.
The sight is cast which is is evident by the seam in the center. The staked pin was most likely done when the sight was replaced. The spring looks to be original. The base is milled. If you look at the bottom of the base you can see fine tool marks. The letter stamping it is clean and appears to be stamped not cast.
I am sure the crooks now days can fake these but this site was removed from a rifle that was bought 40 year ago and we agreed that the crooks were not that sophisticated back then because it was not worth it like it is now days.
I thank you all for your input and some very good observations and opinions.
This was a good learning experience for me.

musketjon
06-15-2013, 04:08 PM
Total fake (except maybe the spring). As previously stated the sight blade is cast. Look really closely at the base--REALLY CLOSE. The surface pattern matches that of the leaf, i.e. cast--NOT machined. The letters are cast also, not stamped. It's a total hump-job.
Jon

Cops504
06-15-2013, 07:04 PM
Fake, Fake, Fake. End of story.