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tank mech
07-23-2010, 07:03 PM
I have a 33 winchester that I need loads for I will be using a 200 gr jacketed bullet. I know it was dropped from hornady in the 70s can anyone help? thanks chet

KRAG-30-40
07-23-2010, 07:39 PM
I had one of those.A M1886 Winchester Light Weight Rifle Take down.Heck of a rifle.

From Ken Waters' Pet Loads Supplement #4 to the Third Edition:

200 grain Hornady JFP

IMR-3031 38.0-40.0 grains

H-4895 41.0-43.0 grains


From The Handloaders Manual of Cartridge Conversions.
Source listed as Hornaday Manual Third Edition:

200 grain FN

IMR 4198 32.0 grains
Velocity 1925FPS


IMR 4895 47.0 grains
Velocity 2520 FPS

tank mech
07-23-2010, 08:23 PM
Thanks Krag 30-40 This one has been in my family for about 90 years but has not been fired in over 75 its a full legnth rifle not the lightweight takedown version and was built in 1902 .thanks for the help chet

Mad_Gorilla
07-23-2010, 09:20 PM
I had one of those.A M1886 Winchester Light Weight Rifle Take down.Heck of a rifle.

From Ken Waters' Pet Loads Supplement #4 to the Third Edition:

200 grain Hornady JFP
IMR-3031 38.0-40.0 grains
H-4895 41.0-43.0 grains

From The Handloaders Manual of Cartridge Conversions.
Source listed as Hornaday Manual Third Edition:

200 grain FN

IMR 4198 32.0 grains
Velocity 1925FPS

IMR 4895 47.0 grains
Velocity 2520 FPS

Krag, does your rifle have a short magazine? I had the rifle version with the long magazine, and a 24" bbl (I think that's what it was anyway -- 30 years ago.)

The Ken Water's loads are excellent. The .33 WCF was a very good round, and greatly overlooked by the shooting public. It is fully capable of taking any game in North America up to and including grizzly. I had a ton of fun with mine!

Mad_Gorilla
07-23-2010, 09:30 PM
Thanks Krag 30-40 This one has been in my family for about 90 years but has not been fired in over 75 its a full legnth rifle not the lightweight takedown version and was built in 1902 .thanks for the help chet

If that old boy is in good shape, get it appraised. The .33 was the last cartridge it was chambered for as I recall, before Winchester dropped that model from the catalog. There weren't very many of them made in that caliber. I wish I still had mine, but I had to trade it years ago for a car when I found myself suddenly afoot. The 86 was pretty strong and the late production ones like yours are the strongest if they're in sound shape, but don't hot rod it. It isn't as strong as the 1892 or 1895 models, which had a much beefier lockup. The weakest point, btw, is the bottom of the barrel right at the point where the magazine tube enters the receiver. If you blow up an 86 that is usually where it comes apart.

KRAG-30-40
07-23-2010, 10:21 PM
Krag, does your rifle have a short magazine? I had the rifle version with the long magazine, and a 24" bbl (I think that's what it was anyway -- 30 years ago.)


The rifle I had,sold it a couple of years ago,was the Extra Light Weight Rifle.It had a 22inch rapid taper barrel,half magazine,and shotgun butt.This was the last model of the 86 and they offered it in .33WCF and .45-70.Still got an original 86 rifle in .45-90 and one of the new ones Winchester came out with a few years ago in .45-70.

Mad_Gorilla
07-23-2010, 10:56 PM
The rifle I had,sold it a couple of years ago,was the Extra Light Weight Rifle.It had a 22inch rapid taper barrel,half magazine,and shotgun butt.This was the last model of the 86 and they offered it in .33WCF and .45-70.Still got an original 86 rifle in .45-90 and one of the new ones Winchester came out with a few years ago in .45-70.

Cool. I had a serious case of 'gotta get one' when Browning came out with the new ones some years back. I'd love to have it in .45-90 as well.