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rigman
01-27-2011, 12:23 AM
does anyone know the rare or hard to find dates on the SA and RIA bayonets?? I heard awhile back that some dates are worth more because of low production during some years

Hitower
01-27-2011, 08:37 AM
I'd like to know this also. I received an 1906 RIA unserialized.
I saw charts that said this was their first year of production at 2100 bayonets. But it didn't say how many they did before they started stamping serial numbers on them.

jeeperbob
01-27-2011, 09:09 AM
I got a 1906 SA with serial number and a 1906 RIA without serial number.

morfred
01-27-2011, 06:11 PM
I got a 1906 SA with serial number and a 1906 RIA without serial number.
What is the serial number of your 1906 SA?

PanzerOfDoom
01-27-2011, 06:22 PM
I got a 1906 SA with serial number and a 1906 RIA without serial number.
From what I have read 1906 is the first year of actual production of the Model 1905. That in itself is pretty significant.

jeeperbob
01-27-2011, 06:36 PM
what is the serial number of your 1906 sa?

163126 What's yours?

morfred
01-27-2011, 07:27 PM
My 1906 SA is serial # 1409. I think it's a keeper!

col b
01-27-2011, 07:30 PM
SA 134862 RA 88k

39chevy
01-27-2011, 07:44 PM
RIA 1906 bowie..no number SA 1906 bowie ser#167927

reelguy
01-27-2011, 10:08 PM
Nice!!!

Perhaps we ought to have a RIA and SA year/sn thread... anyone with the skills up to it?

I got a 1906 SA with serial number and a 1906 RIA without serial number.

jeeperbob
01-27-2011, 10:59 PM
My 1906 SA is serial # 1409. I think it's a keeper!

Is that number on the blade or on the ricasso?

morfred
01-28-2011, 04:34 PM
jeeperbob- That number is on the blade. I assume that's the place it should be. Tell me if that's the right place to look. I do not know a heck of a lot about these.

Rick the Librarian
01-28-2011, 05:36 PM
Like to see a picture of that one!

As far as dates go, I believe Gary Cuningham as a "Bayonet Point" article on dates and production numbers for pre-1922 bayonets, both SA and RIA.

Shrevy
01-28-2011, 07:13 PM
I've read the bayo points article with the SA production figures, but have not seen one for RIA. Does anyone have a link to any listing of RIA production? Here is the link to the article about Springfield:

http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/bayo_points_19.htm

Bayonet
01-28-2011, 08:05 PM
Rock Island - numbers are APPROXIMATE for each CALENDAR year which is how they are dated on the blade. The quantity is based on observed serial number range for each date.

1906 - 75,000 (not serial numbered)
1907 - 45,000
1908 - 20,000
1909 - 30,000
1910 - 22,000
1911 - 28,000
1912 - 16,000
1913 - 11,000
1914 - 0
1915 - 0
1916 - 0
1917 - 57,000
1918 - 100,000
1919 - 26,000

morfred
01-28-2011, 08:18 PM
My bayo is stamped SA over 1906 on one side and US over 1409 (with a UFH overstamp) on the other. Does anyone know if 1409 is the serial number?

Bayonet
01-28-2011, 08:25 PM
Yes, that is the serial number.

Shrevy
01-28-2011, 08:29 PM
Did the serial numbers on the RIA bayonets start at #75001? I have a 1911 dated RIA with serial number 207611. If they first started numbering them in 1907 and started at #1, my serial number would be too high for the date. If they started at #75001, the year 1911 would have started with #192,000 and ended at #220,00. Now, I need to find a 1918 dated RIA to match my 1918 dated RIA 1903...

Bayonet
01-28-2011, 09:00 PM
They did start somewhere around 75,000 at the beginning of 1907. Not sure if exactly that number, but certainly in that neighborhood.

WOOFTFD
01-28-2011, 09:26 PM
Interesting, I got a SA bowie cut-down, 1906 date, serial #110999... but it looks like they only made 2100 that year?

DougS
01-28-2011, 09:27 PM
Shrevy, are you sure your date is not 1917 versus 1911?

Shrevy
01-28-2011, 10:56 PM
It is definitely 1911.

Shrevy
01-28-2011, 11:01 PM
Bayonet - Are you Gary Cunningham? If so, thanks for your web site. It has been very helpful.

finnmosin
02-05-2011, 03:01 PM
Seems like lots of us getting 1906 dated SA's, for only 2100 made. Wonder if thats accurate.
Mine is a beautiful Bowie point cut down by AFH. Serial 123689.

Bayonet
02-05-2011, 04:03 PM
Seems like lots of us getting 1906 dated SA's, for only 2100 made. Wonder if thats accurate.
Mine is a beautiful Bowie point cut down by AFH. Serial 123689.

This seems to be a common misconception.

Springfield reported 2,100 competed and turned into stores in Fiscal 1906. Fiscal 1906 ended June 30, 1906.

The blades are dated by CALENDAR year, not Fiscal year.

The APPROXIMATE last serial number DATED 1906 is in the area of 191,500 based on observation of existing serial numbers.

Rock Island Arsenal did not serial number their 1906 production, but started numbering at the beginning of 1907 at APPROXIMATELY # 75,000.

1563621
02-05-2011, 05:46 PM
I received an SA from 1906 with a 4306 serial #Bowie cut

morfred
02-06-2011, 10:54 AM
[QUOTE=Bayonet;279453]This seems to be a common misconception.

Springfield reported 2,100 competed and turned into stores in Fiscal 1906. Fiscal 1906 ended June 30, 1906.

The blades are dated by CALENDAR year, not Fiscal year.



So Bayonet, is it possible that my 1906 SA marked ser. # "1409" was actually made in 1905

johnk
02-06-2011, 11:17 AM
Mine is a SA, s/n 1336. What is the N09885 on the handle ?

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/jkunig/000_0033.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/jkunig/000_0040.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/jkunig/000_0037.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/jkunig/000_0036.jpg

morfred
02-07-2011, 08:52 AM
QUOTE=Bayonet;279453]This seems to be a common misconception.

Springfield reported 2,100 competed and turned into stores in Fiscal 1906. Fiscal 1906 ended June 30, 1906.

The blades are dated by CALENDAR year, not Fiscal year.



So Bayonet, is it possible that my 1906 SA marked ser. # "1409" was actually made in 1905

finnmosin
02-08-2011, 08:23 AM
It may mean s/n's under 2100 were mabe before June 30th in 1906.

redlemot
02-23-2011, 09:37 PM
Mine is a SA, s/n 1336. What is the N09885 on the handle ?

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/jkunig/000_0033.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/jkunig/000_0040.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/jkunig/000_0037.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/jkunig/000_0036.jpg

The numbers that you are refering to ( N09885 ) are numbers put there by the greeks as serial/inventory numbers so I have been told. Not by any rebuilder or any US military person.
I have a real nice 1907 SA spear point, serial number 232886 with no additional numbers. It is cut to 9.255 inches,measuered from the hilt, has a Utica Cutlery bayonet catch, black grips by Auburn Button Works ( # AB10 & ABP2 w/24 groves per inch and the heat lot is J-1. 104 years of history!
Would not trade for a farm in GA.

hammonje
02-24-2011, 09:40 AM
Got a RIA 1906 Bowie with no serial number. Also a 1910 with no Greek markings. Nice bayonets.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc6/hammonje/Bowie%20Tips/Bowie5.jpg

redlemot
02-24-2011, 10:15 AM
http://s456.photobucket.com/albums/qq285/hickorynut1/?action=view&current=100_2953.jpg

http://s456.photobucket.com/albums/qq285/hickorynut1/?action=view&current=100_2950.jpg

I had intended to post pics of my 1907 but my battery was dead, story of my life. And my short blade, also a life story.

Your bayonets are a cut above the average.

I have one due to be shipped any day,CC charged, no ship date set. Utica PB004UC.