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kilroywashere
04-29-2011, 09:19 PM
I just checked the Winchester I bought this week at the north store. I don't know why I didn't notice it before, but the rifle is lead pot annealed. It is really neat and none of my other WWII rifles are annealed. My rifle is a May 1943. I know why they did it, but my question is; when did they do it? Also, is a lead pot annealed receiver more scarce than a non annealed? The finish is original to the rifle with the added bonus of that beautiful green patina developed, it seems, only when a rifle sits in cosmoline for a number of years.

photrod2000
04-29-2011, 11:06 PM
I hope not; I have many Danish returns woodless lead pit annealed that I refinished that no longer indicate the annealing process.

Sailormilan2
04-30-2011, 12:23 AM
Refinishing in grey park seems to allow the color change to show better than the darker manganese park. I refinished one, and it shows the lead dipped heel really well.

jerryjeff
04-30-2011, 01:02 AM
Lets see if this shows up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/jerryjeff/edddies003.jpg
The most distinct annealing I've seen has been accompanied by a green patina. This is an example.

Oryguner
04-30-2011, 11:49 AM
A couple of rifles I redid in Zinc Park show the lead dip very clearly. Not sure if there is greater value to a lead dip receiver but I do know I like the look.:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/Oryguner/Garands/A1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/Oryguner/Garands/WRA2.jpg

JMintzer
04-30-2011, 07:12 PM
My (what appears to be an) original finish 1.2 million WRA...

http://pic90.picturetrail.com:80/VOL2270/702387/22671824/395921442.jpg


Jamie

Sport45
04-30-2011, 09:25 PM
Also, is a lead pot annealed receiver more scarce than a non annealed?

Let's hope it doesn't add any value. Otherwise, hundreds of receivers are going to be dipped in casting pots to add value or to make them "correct".

Craftsman
05-01-2011, 04:22 PM
My early 6-digit SG WRA 137290 - Dec. 1941, I received last year, mail-order/luck of the draw, in a nice post war SA stock-set. Being new to collecting Garands, thought it had a "crappy park job", till others informed me it was lead-dipped/annealed, and looked just as it should. It's one of my favorites, and feel lucky to have such an early one.
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac4/Craftsmanpics/IMG_0532.jpg

MGentry
05-01-2011, 05:24 PM
My Winnie 1,376,XXX is lead annealed, but it blends more with the park. Could that mean that it was reparked at some point in it's life? It was a CMP SA purchased in 2006.

B-1 wizzo
05-02-2011, 01:42 PM
Here is my Mar 1941 Winny FG 101,8xx received via Magna in April. Appears to have original finish w/ annealed heel.

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad287/rbssw/WRA%20FG/Birthdaypix026.jpg

M1Riflenut
05-02-2011, 07:12 PM
This ones a 1.23 WRA

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/M1Riflenut/garand%20pics/P1050868.jpg

M1Riflenut
05-02-2011, 07:14 PM
My early 6-digit SG WRA 137290 - Dec. 1941, I received last year, mail-order/luck of the draw, in a nice post war SA stock-set. Being new to collecting Garands, thought it had a "crappy park job", till others informed me it was lead-dipped/annealed, and looked just as it should. It's one of my favorites, and feel lucky to have such an early one.
http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac4/Craftsmanpics/IMG_0532.jpg

I have 137016. Close!

Craftsman
05-02-2011, 07:46 PM
I have 137016. Close!
Cool! They were getting built-up together!:)

kilroywashere
05-02-2011, 09:20 PM
Well this has morphed into an interesting thread :D. I wonder if we can determine a range of lead pot Winchester or Springfield receivers. My Winchester is a 1.34. The color isn't as dark as some I have seen on here. http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx246/patrickison/?action=view&current=Winchesterleadpot.jpg

Craftsman
05-02-2011, 09:37 PM
Well this has morphed into an interesting thread :D. I wonder if we can determine a range of lead pot Winchester or Springfield receivers. My Winchester is a 1.34. The color isn't as dark as some I have seen on here. http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx246/patrickison/?action=view&current=Winchesterleadpot.jpg

Nice WRA. Looks good with lockbars!:)

Sailormilan2
05-02-2011, 09:49 PM
Here is my son's 1.18 million SA Garand. I have reparked it, but prior to finishing it with all the needed parts.
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/Sailormilan2/000_2127.jpg

Here is a better pic of it.
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/Sailormilan2/000_2116.jpg

cast1903
05-03-2011, 11:08 AM
cool thread. some great pictures!

aimit
05-03-2011, 12:41 PM
Well this has morphed into an interesting thread :D. I wonder if we can determine a range of lead pot Winchester or Springfield receivers. My Winchester is a 1.34. The color isn't as dark as some I have seen on here.

I have a list of 510 rifles and here is what I found. The earliest one on the list is WRA 1027XX (April '41). From there to October '42 the annealing was sporadic for both SA and WRA. All rifles I examined from November '42 to August '43 were annealed except for SA #1874XXX which was not. Annealing was again sporadic for both manufacturers from September '43 to December '43. I have never seen an annealed receiver manufactured after December 1943.

mozzer
05-03-2011, 01:42 PM
My lead pot ones.
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/davfink/leadanealedrec.jpg
From top
Winchester 1.33
Springfield 2.003
Winchester 1.29

JMintzer
05-03-2011, 02:25 PM
My WRA (pictured earlier) is 1.25 million...


Jamie

JoeW2111
05-03-2011, 04:05 PM
I really don't see anything special about an annealed receiver. Prior to 1943 rifles already in service were annealed. It was not necessary to detail strip the rifle and only the trigger group and stock were removed. I am sure during this process alot of trigger groups and stocks got switched around. Others were annealed during the course of rebuild and these rifles were totaly torn down and parts mixed just as any other rebuilt rifle.
Then there were the receivers that were made using the old steel but not yet assembled. Rather than scrap all these receivers they were annealed and used in normal M1 assembly. It would be in this group of rifles that you would be most likly to find an "original" rifle with an annealed receiver heal.
If you were to come upon a 1943 or earlier M1 that was not annealed what does this mean ?? I would guess that all it means is that, at the time, the rifle was overlooked for one reason or another. In the past a collector might have found this rifle more desirable if it appeared to be "original" as it had a better chance to be "original" than most M1's that had been annealed. I don't know how collectors today think about this issue.