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DetroitMan
09-12-2011, 08:30 AM
I like my 10/22, but the factory iron sights are completely inadequate. I am looking to replace both the front and rear sights. Tech Sights' models have caught my eye, but I'm open to other suggestions. I have two questions:

1) What are the best iron sights available for the 10/22, in your opinion?

2) If you have experience with the Tech Sights products, is the TSR 200 with adjustable elevation worth it over the more basic, flip-aperature TSR 100 model?

I already have a scoped Browning .22, so please don't suggest I scope this rifle.

bumble900
09-12-2011, 08:37 AM
I have the TSR100 on my 10-22. Less moving parts and I dont mind making elevation changes on the front sight.

Mike

edlmann
09-12-2011, 09:03 AM
What are the best iron sights available for the 10/22, in your opinion?

Really depends on your purpose.

Williams has four levels of receiver sight for the 10/22:

WGRS

5D

Foolproof

Target Foolproof

If you intend to zero and adjust only rarely, the WGRS is a perfectly fine sight.

DetroitMan
09-12-2011, 10:26 AM
edlmann made a good point about my purpose, so I'll list my thoughts.

I want to make this Ruger a good general purpose rifle for plinking or small game hunting. I want the sights to be adjustable for windage and elevation without tools. My eyes are still good, but I want the sights to be easy to see and reasonably fast to acquire. Ruggedness is a plus. I like protective ears on the front sight. I am not looking for ultra precision target sights.

I don't have a particular preference for type of sight. Open sights or peep sights are fine, and I would appreciate suggestions of both. I'm considering, but not requiring, a fiber optic front sight.

Thanks for responses so far. Keep 'em coming!

mustang82
09-12-2011, 01:15 PM
I agree w/ Detroitman on both the stock 10/22 sights being inadequate and wanting a windage and elevation adjustable sight for the 10/22. I have Williams WDOS sight on my open sight 10/22 but would really appreciate a leaf (to keep it Rimfire Sporter legal) open sight that is "click" adjustable. I have seen T/C contender and Bomar pistol sights modified and used for this purpose, but am not very handy with modifications.
Does anyone make a "click" adjustable leaf rear sight that fits the 10/22?

J.R.2009
09-12-2011, 01:21 PM
I have the TSR100 on my 10-22. Less moving parts and I dont mind making elevation changes on the front sight.

Mike

+1. I have the TSR200 on mine. Elevation is done on the rear OR the front. The Tech sights do stand up higher than the Williams. But I wanted my 10/22 to look more like the carbine. New stock too.

<a href="http://s466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrmcrmo9/Parts/?action=view&amp;current=rugercarbine5.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrmcrmo9/Parts/rugercarbine5.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

RuggedTerrain40
09-12-2011, 01:32 PM
Ive put Tech Sights on my Ruger 10/22 and hate them. The reason I hate Tech Sights is the front sight is loose, I had to JB Weld them to keep them tight. And on the rear sight, they dont give you the reference you get on good peep sights like M1 Garand rear sights. It is easy to lose track of how much you have raised or lowered the rear sight elevation, because there is no reference marker for that.

Go with Williams FullProof peep sights, with TARGET KNOBS. You will have to get a gunsmith to drill and tap your receiver, but the good thing is you wont have to change your front sight. You can leave the factory front sight on, not even touch the thing.

Williams FP peep sights are da bomb for the Ruger 10/22. The best you can get that I know about for that rifle.

Tech Sights...:rolleyes:

Eric

J.R.2009
09-12-2011, 02:02 PM
I'll knock on wood but I have not had any problems at all with my Tech sights. Had to tap the front sight on and it's hard as a rock set. I didn't want to do any drilling and tapping on my new Ruger. With these sights I didn't have to.

callinectes
09-12-2011, 02:39 PM
I have been contemplating the possibility of adding an AR Type 2 rear sight but have been trying to figure out what front sight I could use to handle the higher rear peep. I don't like the Tech Sights so I don't know what to do.

RuggedTerrain40
09-12-2011, 03:20 PM
Ruger 10/22:

Williams FP with target knobs...da bomb peep sights! No need to change your factory front sight! THE closest you can get to M1 Garand or M-14 style peep sights on your Ruger 10/22. Classy peep sights!!

Tech Sights: no drilling and tapping, but your front sight might fall out. Or it might not. And no reference marker for the elevation on the rear sight. Tech Sights are more like the peep sights on an M-16A1. Most of the elevation is done at the front sight, any done at the rear sight is, um, you gotta really pay attention good to keep track of your rear elevation changes.

Eric

DetroitMan
09-12-2011, 03:39 PM
Thanks for the recommendations. I will definitely look at the Williams sights.

I don't like the factory front sight either. Any recommendations on a new front sight to go with a Williams (or other) rear sight?

RuggedTerrain40
09-12-2011, 04:37 PM
Thanks for the recommendations. I will definitely look at the Williams sights.

I don't like the factory front sight either. Any recommendations on a new front sight to go with a Williams (or other) rear sight?

Maybe that XS system front sight, it's wide. You could go with the XS "ghost" system rear and front sight, its a peep sight that is not as accurate as a Williams FP, but it is faster accquiring...maybe better for hunting small game?


http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=143961

Or just put a cheap scope on your 10/22? Thats what most guys do, but most dont shoot with iron sights like CMP types do.


Eric

AlReiter
09-12-2011, 05:04 PM
New stock too.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrmcrmo9/Parts/rugercarbine5.jpg (http://s466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrmcrmo9/Parts/?action=view&current=rugercarbine5.jpg)
Now that's neat!! Where did you get the stock?

J.R.2009
09-12-2011, 06:04 PM
Now that's neat!! Where did you get the stock?

Got it from Brownell's. I have been removing the cheap, sprayed on mud brown "paint" and re staining it. I hope to be finished later tomorrow. I'll post some pics of it then.

SubgunFun
09-12-2011, 10:45 PM
My dad and I have both used the Williams WGRS rear peep sight. Note, you will have to change out the front sight to a slightly taller version. I installed the front with round brass bead but the old man had an earlier front post that was much more rugged. Both work great, but mine seems a bit fragile and can snag when removing the rifle from a soft case. I have had very consistent results with these peeps shooting stationary and moving targets and game. I highly recommend them... great for all types of shooting.

Emmett Dunham
09-13-2011, 12:37 AM
There is as much information on parts and how to do it on this site on the 10/22 as there are on this site on the Garand.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php

Eljay
09-13-2011, 12:25 PM
You might want to look at RuggedTerrain40's posting history. Every time the subject of TechSights comes up he rants about his unique experience with the front sight some years ago. It's a personal vendetta.

jdmjdm
09-13-2011, 02:56 PM
I was satisfied with the TechSights for an Appleseed shoot. They worked well and were adjustable for the Appleseed instruction. The front sight did need two doses of Loctite during range time before the class. I tried blue first then had to use red.

J.R.2009
09-13-2011, 06:17 PM
+1. I have the TSR200 on mine. Elevation is done on the rear OR the front. The Tech sights do stand up higher than the Williams. But I wanted my 10/22 to look more like the carbine. New stock too.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrmcrmo9/Parts/rugercarbine5.jpg (http://s466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrmcrmo9/Parts/?action=view&current=rugercarbine5.jpg)


Couldn't stand the mud brown "paint" on the stock so I fixed it.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrmcrmo9/Parts/1022redo2.jpg (http://s466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrmcrmo9/Parts/?action=view&current=1022redo2.jpg)

gnatshooter
10-07-2012, 06:44 PM
If you like 'target sights' (front hooded post, rear notch leaf) or peep sights, for your Ruger 10/22, you can get some serious ideas for improvements from http://bestruger1022.wordpress.com/

Good Ol' Boy
10-07-2012, 07:34 PM
I have the Tech Sights TSR 100 and have been very impressed. I would highly suggest getting some tech sights.

WRAMC1989
10-07-2012, 09:46 PM
Most like the M1 carbine, Garand, m1917 battle sight in appearance, and to some degree functionality. I use my 10/22 for inexpensive practice for the other three in sight picture, and target acquisition . I just love the set up. Looks clean and classic.
Sure, you need a small screwdriver or other pointy object to move the detents,
as there are no garand style knobs, and yes, no markings (just clicks). Once mine have been set up though I feel the accuracy is deadly for varmint shooting (to the distance standard .22lr ballistics will allow).
My biggist issue was drifting out the standard Ruger front sight. Without a vise, it took two of us to steady and secure the barrel,and you can't be dainty with the hammer - to get it started it took some might whacks!:eek:
The tech sight slid in with much less effort, and mine didn't require any lock tite
As suggested in the instructions, and is quite secure. (i did use blue locktite on the rear sight).
My son got the trs100. He never uses the flip sight. His front sight did require locktite. Individual results may vary. Read the prospectus carefully.:D

Good Ol' Boy
10-07-2012, 10:22 PM
I had trouble getting the factory front sight out, but then I used some WD40 and it slid right out

J.R.2009
10-08-2012, 07:05 AM
You might want to look at RuggedTerrain40's posting history. Every time the subject of TechSights comes up he rants about his unique experience with the front sight some years ago. It's a personal vendetta.


Yeah, I've noticed that too. I have helped 4 local guys install the Tech Sights on their 10/22's and NONE had the problem he did. All were rock solid, even as hard to get on as the factory ones were to get off, and still are as far as I know. I see two of the guys at the range all the time and neither has had a problem.
Maybe he had filed the dove tail because it was too hard to install and got it too loose ?
Anyway, all the William's sights are great too. I just didn't want to have to drill and tap my 10/22 and was trying to make mine look a little like the G.I. carbine. :D

CNCprogrammer
10-08-2012, 03:28 PM
I don't have experience with the sights toward the bottom of the page (I've got Tech Sights for my 10/22) but I've built several retro AR15s with their receivers and they are top notch.
http://www.nodakspud.com/NDS-22.htm

RuggedTerrain40
10-08-2012, 05:16 PM
I had to finally cold solder my front tech sight on my barrel, using JB weld. So Im stuck with that front sight until the barrel wears out.

I think it needs to be mentioned that back around 2009/2010, there were a good number of complaints about the front Tech sight "falling out" of the notch. It was not just moi. Even on old Appleseed forums Id read about it happening pretty regular at Appleseed shoots. I read one women had hers fall off her .22 and got disgusted and just went home, wasting the whole weekend. Those Appleseed shoots are not inexpensive for guys. Females, yeah.

Also it needs to be mentioned that Tech Sights announced new and revamped front sights a year or so back. I bought one and it had these little side screws to keep it in place. Mine was STILL loose even with that. So I just said screw it, and JB welded mine in. Now it is solid.

My problem may have been especially bad because I took the advice of old Appleseed advice (2009 era) and bought a specific Wal-Mart version of the Ruger 10/22. It has a longer stainless steel barrel than most Ruger 10/22s and Ive wondered if the dovetail notch is cut looser than other Ruger 10/22s.

All I know is I had a huge amount of trouble with the front Tech Sights, no trouble with the rear Tech Sights. It did tick me off I admit, although I would not call it a personal vendetta or something that is extreme.

As for positive things about the Tech Sights, they do make your Ruger 10/22 look cool, like a small M-1 Garand or even an M-14 kinda if you put a 25 round magazine on it. I went to an NRA rifle class with mine and the Range master was looking at mine, said "it looked cool" with the peep sights. I think he was used to seeing mostly Ruger 10/22s with cheap scopes or maybe traditional Williams rear peep sights.

Tech Sights are "OK," if the front sight will stay in your barrel. I would frankly, prefer to have Williams rear FP sights with target knobs put on mine and left the factory front sight on. But I got in so deep with the Tech Sights, I just said screw it and JB welded mine on to keep'em tight.

BTW, I never filed or anything on my Ruger 10/22's dovetail to make it looser.

Eric

ZvenoMan
10-08-2012, 10:47 PM
I installed the TSR200 sights, as the factory sights are useless, and I like to practice with a USGI-style aperture.
I think they are good quality and all parts of mine have remained tight EXCEPT the front sight post. I have my rear bottomed out so I tried raising the front, the more I raise it the wore it wobbles. It's like the hole or screw is tapered?
I emailed TechSishts and received a response very quickly. They said that the new front sight assembly (with the 2 set screws, mine does not have those) is made to better tolerances and does not wobble. My front sight base was a good fir, I think I had to file the base a few strokes to fit the dovetail, it is rock solid.
I was a little disappointing that all they did was confirm the part was loosely made, while I'm glad they corrected the problem, I had not had mine that long.....
They do make a taller front sight post, said to be for the TSR200 (the rear sits taller on this as it's adjustable for elevation as well as windage in the rear). I wonder why it's not included with the TSR200?
Anyway, I put some locktite in the front post hole and it's not moving now. I did this at the range to get it adjusted as best I could and so far it is solid enough considering the mighty recoil of the CMP surplus .22 ammo. But, I will have a hard time removing it.
I have heard of many people using a bit of heat shrink tubing to extend the post, I plan to do that so I can raise my rear sight a bit and allow room for adjustment. I hope the increase in width is not a problem.

I want to put TechSights on my Cz452 in .22, I prefer bolt action in Appleseed, but give the performance from them with me so far I'm wavering.
I can get some great CZ/BRNO aperture (front and rear) sights for not much more, But I would like to retain the USGI appearance (I shoot an M14 in matches....).

They seem durable enough but I wish they were a bit beefier, especially the rear sight. I like how it extends back, but fill in some of the overhang.....
JH

RuggedTerrain40
10-08-2012, 11:20 PM
LOL Another loose Tech Sight front post story. Here is how to fix it if you insist on Tech Sights. Remove the front sight post. Unscrew it and remove it.

Then JB cold weld the front sight to the dovetail. Being super careful not to get any JB weld inside the threaded hole where the front sight screws in. After 24 to 48 hours and you are confident the JB weld is set, screw the front sight post in. Then paint the JB weld whatever color your barrel is to make it blend in.

DONT JB weld the front sight with the front sight post in place. It can get set by JB weld and you will have a ruined rifle barrel. Or at least one that cannot adjust for much elevation.

JB welding my front sight post to my Ruger 10/22 barrel was the ONLY way, I repeat the ONLY WAY, I could get that sucker lock tight set. I dont want a front sight that moves. Especially being that the front sight post is what you are supposed to concentrate on hard when aiming. I made the choice to JB weld it, Im stuck with it until I do a barrel change on my Ruger 10/22.

I think Williams FP sights with target knobs are superior, finer sights and definitely more like the sights on an M1 Garand or M-14. The Tech Sights are more like the sights on an M-16A1.

Eric

I installed the TSR200 sights, as the factory sights are useless, and I like to practice with a USGI-style aperture.
I think they are good quality and all parts of mine have remained tight EXCEPT the front sight post. I have my rear bottomed out so I tried raising the front, the more I raise it the wore it wobbles. It's like the hole or screw is tapered?
I emailed TechSishts and received a response very quickly. They said that the new front sight assembly (with the 2 set screws, mine does not have those) is made to better tolerances and does not wobble. My front sight base was a good fir, I think I had to file the base a few strokes to fit the dovetail, it is rock solid.
I was a little disappointing that all they did was confirm the part was loosely made, while I'm glad they corrected the problem, I had not had mine that long.....

JH

ZvenoMan
10-09-2012, 08:14 AM
Soooo, I should not use JB to glue the TachSights base to the Ruger barrel, why? :)

Just kidding,
I agree, the front sight had 1/8" or more movement at the top, totally unacceptable. I planned to use loctite (blue if I recall, very thick but removable if needed), and if that did not work I would have tried epoxy or my good friend JB. So far it seems to be quite secure, at least as much as a properly machined sight. No easy adjustment, but since I adjusted it while it was setting it's close enough (unless you use a TSR100 with no rear elevation adjustment).

Disappointing they shipped a product like a sight that had such a noticeable wobble, especially coupled with a post that is too short, according to them, for the rear sight. Easy fix, but as they manufactured it, it would have cost approximately $0.00 to manufacture the correct way. I happen to have loctite, JB and heat shrink tubing (to extend the front sight height) laying around, but it would be $10 or so to go buy them, on top of what I paid for the sights.

Maybe we could get CMP to sell them, they would probably be shipped right or made good.......
I'm sure Orest is wanting to get into the 10/22 and assorted aftermarket parts business!

I'll look into the FP, thanks for the recommendation.

15round
10-09-2012, 11:40 AM
I'm kinda late to the party, but I really like my Tech Sights and have had no problems with them.

RuggedTerrain40
10-09-2012, 11:54 AM
LOL yeah right. More like, CMP might agree to sell them. That would last about two weeks with all the returns and complaints about front sights being loose or fallingout. Then an email would get sent out "CMP no longer selling Tech Sights." Like CMP has the patience to deal with that.

Eric

S

Maybe we could get CMP to sell them, they would probably be shipped right or made good.......

ZvenoMan
10-09-2012, 05:52 PM
Don't get me wrong, I like the TechSights, and I have not seen any better for the 10/22 for their purpose (they are not ultra match sights, but my 10/22 is close to stock, so it is not either!).
Would I buy them again? Not sure, I'm on the fence; as others apparently have had problems like mine is news I did not have, and coupled with the response I got when I reported the issue and they gave me part numbers I could buy that I may like better, it just makes me think about spending money with them in the future
I have worked in retail management many years and learned long ago that the best way to earn customers is not just treating them well and all that associated corporate cheerleading, but treating them well with an "issue".
Look at CMP for an example (I could give traditional retail examples but this is better). Look at these forums. Everyone knows about the fine product CMP sells, and if they simply boxed and shipped like others, say Century, SOG, J&G or whoever, we would all be pretty satisfied. But the common issue that makes CMP stand so far above any others is how they handle "issues". The QC is "impressive" (I have volunteered there a bit), but the fact is, stuff breaks, stuff gets damages, malfunctions get missed. What is CMPs response? #1, fix it. #2, figure out the problem, and correct it if needed. Do they care about "right now, making money"? NO, they care about "doing the right thing", long term (Kind of like karma?). Make a customer for life. The fact that they have a sort of monopoly on their product, and are non profit makes it even more unique (in some ways they don't have to, it's a 60 year old rifle, take it or leave it, go elsewhere.....). How many of us have had a bad experience with CMP, as in a problem they did not fix? And fix above and beyond.
Anyway, as consumers, on an aftermarket sight I want to spend my hard earned money on the best solution for me. We buy Craftsman or Snap on Tools because of the quality and lifetime commitment to me the purchaser. I don't think everything should have a lifetime warranty, but companies who understand this simple concept of managing the exceptions look for these "issues" and recognize them as a way to not only earn a customer for life, but some of his/her friends as well.
Hey, this is my recreational time, back to guns and stuff.....
JH

gnatshooter
04-20-2013, 12:08 PM
Friends, I've updated my site because I now have *two* different setups for iron sights for the Ruger 10/22. The latest setup is a combo of a front Lyman globe sight, and a rear Millet sight that's adjustable for elevation and windage. It's an amazing improvement, if you're like me and prefer a hooded front blade/notched rear leaf setup. And I'm afraid I gotta insist on being able to 'dial in' the rear sights. I'm just spoiled that way. You can read the details at http://bestruger1022.wordpress.com/

gnatshooter
05-05-2013, 12:23 PM
For me, the very best front sights for the Ruger 10/22 are Lyman globe sights. They come in various heights, so they can be paired with different rear sights. They also have different reticles, so you can choose the sight picture you like the best. You can find more on putting Lymans on Rugers at http://bestruger1022.wordpress.com/ including how to modify the sight if you want to use a muzzle adapter, or brake with a cutout for the front sight lug. In general, though, the Lymans fit better than factory originals, and I haven't been able to find a competing line of products that offer the design flexibility and the .375 x 60 dovetail.

lowrider12
07-09-2013, 11:45 AM
my 10/22 tech sights were heaven. get the 200 so you can adjust everything from the rear.

the down side is, you'll then want peep sights (not necessarily tech sights) on all your rifles. ;)

the Ruger 10/22 factory front sight was a nightmare to remove. I ended up using an angle grinder to split the front sight in two about 99% of the way, then wiggled it & plucked it out. I've read that Ruger does some kind of weld/solder to hold that front sight in place. :(

ceresco
07-09-2013, 02:29 PM
After trying a number of .22 rifles for the CMP RF Sporter match I decided I liked the Walmart SS (long barrel) version of the 10/22---but not the sights. I looked through my inventory and decided to try a common Hawken BP rear sight. It is not really target quality, but it has adequate windage and elevation screw adjustments. I simply D&Ted one hole near the old sight dovetail, located where it will be hidden if the stock Ruger sight ever goes back on. The Hawken mounts with a single screw and is quite high--so you need a high front sight. I may have cut the hawken base down some to fit it. Don't recall any serious problem getting the Ruger front sight out. Every year at Camp Perry, Springfield Armory has these high flat front sights in their misc. shelves-- no idea what they fit but I buy several every year ($2 ea). I put one on and called it "good". The 10/22 shoots quite well and although the sights are far from perfect, I shot a 583/600 and won the class at the last Eastern games with it. BTW--since when is JB Weld forever?? Answer: It isn't. Good Shooting.....

RogerFiler
07-09-2013, 05:12 PM
My old eyes got tired of the factory sights, so I bought a Williams "Ace in the Hole" set that included the "Fire Sight" front. Reviews said the standard aperture was too big, so I also ordered a "Twilight" 0.050 inch diameter aperture.

This one: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/259159/williams-ace-in-the-hole-sight-set-with-picatinny-base-ruger-10-22-steel-blue

Install is easy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GviVYt0QlfU

The screws on the peep sight are pretty small. I found a 3mm jeweler's screwdriver fit best.

I took one look through the standard aperture and immediately decided to replace it (It might have been good for target acquisition, but bad for target hitting). Just unscrew the old one and put in the new.

http://imageshack.us/a/img824/161/kwno.jpg

The light source is the florescents in the garage - the front sight is even more visible in sunlight.

BruceR
07-10-2013, 02:11 PM
An interesting discussion with a lot of solid points. My preference for the 10/22 is the Tech-Sight.

I got a set with the rear flip aperture shortly after the product went on the market. I have not had any problems with the front sight mount over the intervening years. It is solid.

I recently purchased the TS220 click-adjustable rear aperture and the taller front post. I started with both the front and rear sight parts bottomed out. By recording the "come-up detent clicks" from the bottom for each, I now have reliable and repeatable zeros for 25, 50, 100, and 200 yards. I can have students shoot the one inch Appleseed squares at 25 yards then change the sights and have them hitting the 12 inch steel at 200 yards. They like that part.

I was pleasantly surprised that the rear sight had enough elevation adjustment to get out to 200 yards. There are still plenty of clicks left if only my range had a longer target set up.

My old M16A1 sight tool comes in handy as does Tech-Sight's steel spanner wrench. I also filed two notches in the rear sight wings to allow for easier wrench movement.

Happy long range .22 shooting if you can get the ammo.
PS: my particular 10/22 really likes the Acquila SE from CMP.