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m.carroll29
01-27-2012, 04:32 PM
Recently bought a Citadel carbine from Cabelas -$300. I returned it the next day. It is made by Chiappa in Italy. Before buying one of these you should be aware that much of the rifle is polymer (plastic). The plastic parts are the rear and front sights, the trigger guard, the trigger, the type 3 barrel band-don't know about the inside. If you're OK with that, fine. It comes with a wood or black nylon stock. My examination at the store was too hasty and I blame myself for that.
Chiappa began their business making replica firearms.

HenryPatrick
01-27-2012, 04:54 PM
Didnt know you could return firearms

dpd3672
01-27-2012, 05:12 PM
C'mon, did you expect M1 Carbine build quality for $300? Milled steel and American Walnut?

I'll agree I'm disappointed to hear this, but I'll wait for some reviews before I rule this one out. $300 for a cheap to shoot plinker that'll handle like one of my carbines is still pretty appealing, and "made out of plastic" isn't nearly as troubling as it was before Glock proved it could be done, and done well. Chiappa's 1911 clones are pretty well regarded, there's certainly a niche for knockoffs in .22lr.

Milsurp Collector
01-27-2012, 06:00 PM
Get a Ruger 10/22 and one of the M1 Carbine-style stocks available from several vendors

http://www.eabco.com/CartImages/Ruger1022/M1Carbine1022Big.gif

add the M1 Carbine-type sights for the Ruger 10/22

http://www.eabco.com/store/images/products/133-2022.jpg

get a new production 15-round magazine (don't ruin a USGI one) http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG343-36.html, cut it down to the size that sticks out below a real M1 Carbine trigger housing, then epoxy it to the bottom of the Ruger 10/22 magazine.

MTC29
01-27-2012, 06:54 PM
I saw them at the SHOT Show and was less than impressed. If you really want a .22 M1 Carbine you should hunt around for one of the old EM-1 carbines. They will cost more than the Chiappa, but they are "more gun" for the money.

mac1911
02-02-2012, 06:55 PM
I been looking for the Erma werkes/iver johnson EM 1s. When I do find them they are rough, missing parts, magazines, especially the rear sight and they still get 300.00 or more. I must say people must of liked these guns. All the samples I have seen are well shot.
As for plastic....what is not plastic these days. Heck I hear alot about how great the nylon 66s where....
Glad to see you actually had a chance to get your hands on one. The only citadels M1 carbines I have seen are on gunbroker for 360.00 or more.
I called the nearest cabela's and they had no clue what I was talking about.

0311-67
02-03-2012, 10:07 AM
Recently purchased the Citadel M1 carbine in .22 . So far , quite satisfied with it , although it didn't like winchester ammo it functions perfectly with Federal ( as do many other weapons chambered in .22 ).
Granted the manufacturer used polymer , but do a lot of others , and I think you will see more and more of this as mfg. costs continue to skyrocket . I also have a Chiappa 1911 in .22 and have had no problem with it .

mac1911
02-03-2012, 10:56 PM
man where are you guys finding these things !

0311-67
02-04-2012, 08:49 AM
mac1911, Bought this one @ Cabelas in Dundee Mich last month . I have a 1943 M1 carbine made by Quality Hardware Mfg . with a 1943 dated Rock-Ola barrel . I purchased an original butt stock pouch , sling , and oiler for it . It has no bayonet lug which tells me it was probably not " re-done " after WWII . When I got the Citadel last month , I ordered the same items for it ( in repro ) thru World War Supply . I put one coat of tung oil on the stock that really brought the grain out . When you lay them side by side , they look like twins . The original has a high cut stock and the .22 hasa low cut .

J.R.2009
02-04-2012, 01:25 PM
Ya just can't beat a Ruger 10/22. I got the base model at a good price and ordered the stock from Brownell's. Got it in the "mud brown" finish and after 2 range outings took it off ( a mess ! ) and refinished it. The Tech sights are fully adjustable. Thought long and hard about the fixed sights you see below/above, where ever it is on your screen. But decided on the ones on it. Shoots great, no problems with the sights, had to do a little tweaking on the stock fit.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr30/jrmcrmo9/Parts/1022redo2.jpg

nmckenzie
02-04-2012, 01:47 PM
Question for guys who'd bought a Citadel .22 M1 Carbine and liked it. Are the barreled action & trigger group dimensions anywhere near USGI Carbine specs; in other words, could the barreled action and trigger group be coaxed into a USGI stock with minor inletting and such? Have a brand new repro M1A1 stock that's just hanging around not doing anything, and thought it might be interesting to use on a .22 of some sort. Had briefly considered inletting it for a 10/22 barreled action, but I'm retired and that's too much like work.

0311-67
02-05-2012, 10:31 AM
mmckenzie ,, I have both , the 1943 M1 carbine , and the Citadel .22 .
I'll try swapping stocks and get back to you , but I've heard they will fit

GarandGrabber
02-05-2012, 10:58 AM
Wasn't it Marlin that made an M-1 Carbine copy .22 some years back? I almost bought one about a year ago but forget the MFG..

hugh.sutherland
02-05-2012, 11:33 AM
Marlin model 99 was a pretty good copy. Used the tube magazine instead of a detachable magazine. Mine has a non-carbine looking stock after I had to replace it due to a break in the grip. I saw one in a pawn shop last week for less than $200.

GarandGrabber
02-05-2012, 11:56 AM
Yep..thats the one. I think I spent my $$$ on a Savage 99 instead at the time. No relation of course, just always wanted a .300 savage 99..A Marlin 99 is in my future

nmckenzie
02-05-2012, 12:54 PM
mmckenzie ,, I have both , the 1943 M1 carbine , and the Citadel .22 .
I'll try swapping stocks and get back to you , but I've heard they will fit

Many thanks for the offer to check the dimensions. Whether it's a go or not I'll appreciate the info and the trouble you went to in checking it for me.

Sbfirekid
02-06-2012, 10:09 AM
I did some work on one of the em1s and it needed a fireing pin the man has not Ben able to get one he order one from england and it never showed up but it was a nice Lil gun

carbinelover
01-23-2013, 11:34 PM
i bought two. had to give one to my older brother. they shot good but were recalled. i received mine back but it now thinks it is an m-2. brother got his back with extractor tip broken. i e.mailed and received no reply

mac1911
01-24-2013, 06:26 AM
I have found 2 EMERA WORKS EM1s. One is a Erma works import the other is a iverjohnson branded import. They are both nice Plinkers. I also aquired several magazines which at times can be tough and pricey to get your hands on. Don't expect muchmore than minute of beer can with them.
They peaked in price for a while but have settled down a bit. They show up more than the model 99 clone or a ruger already done. The ruger or any other clone other than citedel and ermworks just doesn't do it for me.....

aka108
01-24-2013, 09:03 AM
A good number of these recently imported German replicas have zinc frames. At one time I did own a Erma LA 22 that was zinc and it sucked big time. Wasn't bad at first but after about a year when the finish wore of it was just plain nasty feeling.

cscmc1
01-24-2013, 10:13 AM
I just saw an Erma Carbine recently. I want to say it was in the $350 range, and was scoped... don't recall whether the rear sight had been removed or not. It was in very nice shape, though. I always liked those guns, but I'm not sure I like them at $300+.

rworks
01-24-2013, 10:37 AM
I went with the 10/22 clone. Very handy shooter.

DaveHH
01-24-2013, 11:38 AM
I would keep the 10-22. You could live off that rifle and pack enough ammo for a decade in a backpack. It is also a passable defensive weapon if you do your part.

txarsoncop
01-24-2013, 02:24 PM
mmckenzie ,, I have both , the 1943 M1 carbine , and the Citadel .22 .
I'll try swapping stocks and get back to you , but I've heard they will fit

Did anyone ever confirm if you could swap the stocks from USGI to the Citadel or vice-versa?

I'm interested in a Citadel synthetic stock for my USGI. Don't ask why.

Peconga
01-24-2013, 03:00 PM
Allan's Armory has a couple of these Erma EM-1 .22LR carbines available http://www.allans-armory.com/aaresult.php?PageId=69 Made in West Germany, same model imported by Iver Johnson and sold under their name. They look very cool and would be a nice alternative to the Chiappa or re-stocked Ruger 10/22 for an M1 Carbine-ish plinker.

txarsoncop
01-24-2013, 04:33 PM
Did anyone ever confirm if you could swap the stocks from USGI to the Citadel or vice-versa?

I'm interested in a Citadel synthetic stock for my USGI. Don't ask why.

Just received this reply directly from Chiappa. Didn't dream of being this lucky!

"Dear Bill,

Thank you for your support and interest in Chiappa Firearms! Although we do not currently have the stocks available (all stocks were dedicated for production) we will have extras available on our sales website very soon! Both our synthetic and wood stocks will work fine on your M-1 Carbine.

Please keep checking, we really want to make them available as soon as possible."

Now I'll have a "set" of EBRs! :cool:

613jmm
01-24-2013, 05:15 PM
Get a Ruger 10/22 and one of the M1 Carbine-style stocks available from several vendors

http://www.eabco.com/CartImages/Ruger1022/M1Carbine1022Big.gif

add the M1 Carbine-type sights for the Ruger 10/22

http://www.eabco.com/store/images/products/133-2022.jpg

get a new production 15-round magazine (don't ruin a USGI one) http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG343-36.html, cut it down to the size that sticks out below a real M1 Carbine trigger housing, then epoxy it to the bottom of the Ruger 10/22 magazine.

Where do you suppose any of us would find a 10/22 right about now?

epm3
01-24-2013, 08:15 PM
Where do you suppose any of us would find a 10/22 right about now?

I saw one with a synthetic stock at Big 5 in Longmont, CO this week for $199. No 22 LR ammo, though...

FuryUs
02-23-2013, 10:57 AM
They're still out there, but you've gotta be ready to buy when you see one. I saw a couple at our local sporting goods store a few weeks ago, but wasn't familiar with the model, so I went home to research, came back, and they were gone.
FWIW: I've got an M1 Carbine stock headed my way and I'm going to see if I can bed my Remington 597 action in it.

aka108
02-23-2013, 06:15 PM
Too bad we can no longer import firearms from China. They could manufacture 22 cal replicas of anything out of steel and hardwood and sell them for a decent price. When the Chinese want to manufacture a quality item they can do it. Trouble with most Chinese junk is that they make it to the buyers specifications. Want cheap crap to sell in your business you'll get cheap crap.

SmokeEater2
04-06-2013, 10:50 AM
I know this is an old thread but I just saw one of the Citadel M1 type .22's at a shop yesterday.

Any more user reviews on them from guys that have been shooting them?

0311-67
04-08-2013, 06:02 PM
I have one I purchased when they first came out . Had some very frustrating feed & jam problems and I was not happy .
Luckily I had registered it and lo & behold I received a recall notice .
Weapon now fires smooth and flawless as fast as I can pull the trigger .
Recall was handled quite fast and efficient and I was quite pleased .
I own a 1943 Quality Hardware carbine in near mint condition , and when I lay the side by side it's difficult to tell them apart except that the original has the non adjustable flip sight
All in all ,, I like it ,,, absolute fun weapon

M1tchell
04-15-2014, 03:20 PM
Question for guys who'd bought a Citadel .22 M1 Carbine and liked it. Are the barreled action & trigger group dimensions anywhere near USGI Carbine specs; in other words, could the barreled action and trigger group be coaxed into a USGI stock with minor inletting and such? Have a brand new repro M1A1 stock that's just hanging around not doing anything, and thought it might be interesting to use on a .22 of some sort. Had briefly considered inletting it for a 10/22 barreled action, but I'm retired and that's too much like work.

I know this is an old post, but if anyone is still interested the manual says that the stock is interchangeable with the original M1 carbine.

crabby13
04-15-2014, 03:31 PM
If you want a .22 the Marlin model 60 or 99 are great. Marlin model 60's were 160-170 bucks out the door when I got mine a few years ago, its a great rifle especially for the money

txarsoncop
04-15-2014, 05:34 PM
I bought a synthetic M1-22 stock for one of my USGI carbines, perfect fit.