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jeffwatson
11-24-2012, 04:37 PM
I have a line on a Italian Beretta M1 Garand in excellent condition with 100% PB Parts. The serial number on the stock matches the receiver, and the bore is in mint condition with the barrel being marked PB along with everything else that is supposed to be marked PB, making it 100% complete. The serial number is quite low in my opinion, it is: 44x

What is the value of this gun? The seller wants $2,000 for it, is this too high?

I have a number of US Garands and love them, so I want to add a Beretta to my collection. From my research, this was made for the Danish contract as the receiver is stamped with a crown above FKF with a lowercase nr. below.

Any help would be appreciated.

SEANinMICH
11-24-2012, 05:14 PM
FWIW, I sold all my PB and BMB garands in the last few years. They were all entirely (or mostly in some cases) correct, most completely reparked, barrels all spectacular. I sold them all for between $950 and $1200.

$2000 is way out of line.

HughUno
11-24-2012, 05:19 PM
the SN of Beretta/Breda etc. M1's is almost meaningless. The SN's often repeat after each production run. Lots of 2 and 3 digit rifles. Also, the "PB" and "FKF" letters precide the SN on the heel. ?? I doubt you would find a 5 digit much less a 6 digit rifle?? So LN = little or no extra value (unless it was a #1 or #2 or something). Likewise, "matching parts" is a bit hard to detail as well as some "correct" rifles can have BMR/Breda/PB parts and I doubt anyone outside of Canada is much of an expert to begin with on these rifles. Value of "matching" rifles doesn't much exceed the value of a some mixmasters or at best a very nice Depot rebuild.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJUFRIeMu_OgP_K3ytzDREgsnXazjRb WGuZ9a7WThizSDbnAMRrWTLPvYT
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5124/5304839229_629fed2419.jpg

buckley94thmp
11-24-2012, 05:33 PM
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=72410

jeffwatson
11-24-2012, 05:52 PM
Thanks for all your comments so far. I think I will offer about $1,500 for it, since it is in such good condition compared to other ones I have seen for sale at $1,200 and $1,400 over the years.

Just like in your picture, HughUno, it has the crown on top of the FKF and then below that nr. with PB in front of the serial number below that.

mnhusker
11-24-2012, 07:21 PM
If you can get it for $1500 that would be nice.

The last two good one on Gunbroker both went for close to $2000.

I know because I want one but don't want to go above $1500 either.

John

SEANinMICH
11-24-2012, 07:45 PM
sold a short while ago...

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=84639

steelap
11-24-2012, 08:06 PM
But look how long it took to sell! :D

"Life is Good!"

hugh.sutherland
11-24-2012, 09:22 PM
I paid $1200 each for both PB10XX and BMR28XX. The PB is all correct except for the stock which is stamped with a different serial number, but the rifle is in great shape. The BMR is fantastic except for the wood being the equivalent of CMP level field grade, but it is not matching on the stock and a couple of bolt parts were US. I am no expert, but based upon my experience I would not pay much more than the $1200 I paid.

jimthompson502002
11-24-2012, 10:34 PM
I have never seen an Italian rifle whose butt stock was factory serial numbered. That was mostly done by the Armies who purchased them.

Is yours military, with a crest, or one of the Reese imports with no National markings at all? This one appears Danish. A Nigerian, Indonesian, or other crest would be worth MUCH more.

I photographed the "embassy" Yemeni rifle about 1993. It's in THE COMPLETE M1 GARAND and several magazine pieces.

The serial numbers by themselves don't mean diddly. Some of the Reese receivers bore single digit numbers.

What's too high is up to you.

marcmontreuil
11-25-2012, 03:27 AM
Okay I am trying to sound positive-when you sold your PB/BMR M1s for $950-$1200 those are steals. I would buy them all day long for those prices. For this very simple reason the receivers. I have seen them sell for $550 or higher (one gentlemen on here sold a BMR for $350-hell of a steal-missed out of course). So you also need to be carefull on this 100% correct PB marked. There are a ton of parts that are labeled that people dont realize. Buttplate, rear sight base, the actual sight aperature at the bottom right side, all ferrules, trigger gaurd, safety, hammer, bolt, trigger housing, and I can go on. If it is missing some its not a $2000 gun. Also the stocks were labeled on the lower base with the first line being "PB" and under that the serial number from the receiver. Now is that a Danish thing? I dont think so Beretta also marked there Yemen stocks as well with "P. Beretta-Made in Italy". Now did Beretta stamp them or did the resepective govts? Another million dollar question.

Here is a link with some pictures:
http://www.unitedsportsmeninc.com/yj/garand1.htm

SEANinMICH
11-25-2012, 06:08 AM
Okay I am trying to sound positive-when you sold your PB/BMR M1s for $950-$1200 those are steals.

Most were much nicer and more correct than the one I listed above. I think I sold 6, maybe 7. I didn't get more than $1200 for any of them. Most were danish contract receivers. At least one was not. Even at those prices, it took me almost a year to sell them all.

So you also need to be carefull on this 100% correct PB marked. There are a ton of parts that are labeled that people dont realize. Buttplate, rear sight base, the actual sight aperature at the bottom right side, all ferrules, trigger gaurd, safety, hammer, bolt, trigger housing, and I can go on.


Would be easier to list the parts that ARE NOT marked. Right now nothing comes to mind. I wish I still had one to check. Elevation pinion is marked. Most people don't know that

harleydrider82
11-25-2012, 11:43 AM
A few years ago folks couldnt get rid of anything from Italy fast enough! Funny how interests change. The British lend lease guns weren't desirable at first either.

marcmontreuil
11-25-2012, 12:27 PM
Yeah it is funny how interests do change! I love Beretta firearms so when I got my first Garand and found out they made them as well well it was Beretta-Garanditus, an extremely rare and expensive disease to treat.

You are right Sean many people do not realize how much is.

Take some pictures of the rifle!

buckley94thmp
11-27-2012, 05:54 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=318737028

Found that a few days ago not a beretta but close

steelap
11-27-2012, 07:47 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=318737028

Found that a few days ago not a beretta but close

Looks like a Danish replacement stock, and perhaps cracked as well.

"Life is Good!"

A-7-2
11-29-2012, 12:57 PM
In the 1950's Italy made M1 rifles for thr Italian Army, Danish Army, for Yemen, and maybe Indonesia.
All are very rare except the Danish contract. You need to know who the rifle was made for, then try to determine a current price.
All the Danish contract [FKF], rifles I have seen were less than 10,000.

FlightRN
11-29-2012, 04:55 PM
Good Day,
I must agree that seldom as they are encountered, the Italian M1 Garand rifles (original military Beretta or Breda, Danish, Yemen or Indonesian contracts) don't bring the money that one would think. I've sold 3 or so Danish rifles over the years and around $1000 (tops) seemed to be the "selling" price. I had an original Italian military Breda that had been converted to 7.62 (tipo 2) that went in the same range. In 2009 I watched as a Yemeni and Indonesian rifle were sold for just under $3k. It was the only time in more than 20ish years of collecting Garands that I saw such rare pieces being offered on such a public forum (gunbroker) before or since. The Italian manufactured M1ís are fantastic pieces and in any ways, better made than their US progenitors.
Unfortunately, there isn't a broad appeal for collecting them...yet!
Michael
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/FlightRN/Garands/DSC04854.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/FlightRN/Garands/DSC04856.jpg

Barry Rowland
11-30-2012, 05:06 AM
I've dealt with Beretta firearms for a number of years, carrying them in the Army and later as a police officer and have always found them to be top notch. I think the Beretta M1s are gorgeous weapons, and just rare enough here in the States to make them special.