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moose
02-06-2013, 01:52 PM
Now here is something you might not think of as a war trophy, but here is a civilian 16GA German side by side. 16 ga 2 1/2 inch chamber. From what I can see underneath the barrels when I take it apart it was made in the 30s. I think it's a German guild gun marketed by GECO.

Even the civilians were disarmed when Germany fell in WWII. My grandfather was part of the Golden Acorn division, and brought this back with him.

I am curious to know the value for insurance purposes, and what it could sell for. I have no kids and won't be having any. So I am thinking about moving this on. It fires 16GA but 2.5 chamber, and modern 2 3/4 shells. won't chamber in it. (and shouldn't be). But the older US 2 9/16 shells will chamber.

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CollectorChris
02-06-2013, 03:12 PM
Nice looking piece!

Broken Arrow
02-06-2013, 03:38 PM
Nice SXS, cross bolt lock up, deeley forearm latch, retains most of its case color, frame reminds me of a Fox made American double with some "scroll". As far as chambers, a quality smith can lengthen the chambers to 2 3/4". I wouldn't call it a "high end" double due to lack of embellishment but finely built double gun. As far as value maybe others can be able to point you in the right direction.

ptrthgr8
02-06-2013, 04:58 PM
GECO was made by the JP Sauer plant, I think. There are a few 12G GECOs up on gunsamerica. I didn't see any on Gunbroker.com or gunauction.com.

Did a quick web search for "Geco 16 gauge" and came across this older listed from gunsamerica.com:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/995091438/Guns/Shotguns/G-Misc-Shotguns/German_Geco_16ga_SXS_shotgun.htm (http://www.gunsamerica.com/995091438/Guns/Shotguns/G-Misc-Shotguns/German_Geco_16ga_SXS_shotgun.htm)

Search for those same terms and you'll also get some other hits on sites that seem to specialize in 16 gauge shotties. Or just go here: http://tinyurl.com/bk433cm (http://tinyurl.com/bk433cm)

Definitely a nice looking piece. I picked up an old (1942) Husqvarna Model 17 SxS (with exposed hammers) and I think it's the cat's pajamas. They don't make shotties like those anymore. Heck, even my new Citori 725 Field doesn't have as much soul as those old guns.

Cheers,

~ Greg ~

photrod2000
02-06-2013, 05:29 PM
I have the exact same model, except in 12 gauge. Same GECO markings and all. Sauer metal and not a rare gun at all. Every once in a while Allans Armory brings some imports in, which is where I picked up mine years ago. Want to say it's a 33 or 34'. $375

robertmcm
02-06-2013, 09:30 PM
I see it as a war trophy. My grandpa said they lined his unit up at some point in Germany and someone rode down the line picking out a few of the tallest guys. He was one of them. They transferred them to the mp platoon of the division. I have several shotguns my grandpa sent home along with a few pistols. My grandma said he just mailed them. A couple are JP Sauer 16 ga sxs, and a JP sauer drilling, along with some unknown Belgium made shotgun (has elg marks).

The Sauers all have barrels made by Krupp Stahl. It happens to be the company I work for (thyssenkrupp)

If your barrels say Krupp, I'd be interested.

moose
02-06-2013, 10:49 PM
They say Krupp Laufstahl all right. Lockup is tight and the barrels look excellent inside.

No import marks, import marks cut the value of a gun in half most times if not more.

Broken Arrow
02-07-2013, 06:15 AM
They say Krupp Laufstahl all right. Lockup is tight and the barrels look excellent inside.

No import marks, import marks cut the value of a gun in half most times if not more.

Well if it was a Fox double with Krupp steel barrels be worth $$$$ so the Krupp barrels on your 16 ga just adds more value upgrading features.
I don't agree with import marks on "across the pond" double guns/sporting guns loosing their value pared to import marked military arms. The features on your gun would equal a Fox A grade and its high condition too. If Savage 311's sell for $400 range, Browning BSS for $800-$1000 and Fox Sterlingworth's $ $1400 ++ don't see why your's wouldn't be in the mid 4 digit range like the Fox, just say'n.

moose
02-07-2013, 11:58 AM
Thanks for all the opinions, I may end up trying to trade it for an M1 Carbine.

captaincalc
02-07-2013, 12:02 PM
One of my buddies had several he brought back. Said they went to a town, piled up all the civilian arms and burned them, giving the GI's first dibbs at them (before the burn). He sent back three. real nice stuff abounds. very deep engraving by apprentice engravers. No able to get a whole lot of $$$ for them, unfortunately when he needed cash a few years back.

robertmcm
02-07-2013, 03:09 PM
Good info on these guns here:
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=76321

There should be other markings like a 3 digit number other than the serial somewhere. It would give a date.

moose
02-07-2013, 03:13 PM
Good info on these guns here:
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=76321

There should be other markings like a 3 digit number other than the serial somewhere. It would give a date.

Yeah I did that once and I can't remember the exact number, but it was late 1920s I believe.

weimar_police
02-07-2013, 03:16 PM
Nice, I collect stories on bring backs (obviously).

Prices on shotguns, except for Parkers, or Foxes, etc, so a few go for good bucks, most sell for decent but not huge amounts (less than a thousand IMHO).

Ed

Tester19
02-07-2013, 05:54 PM
I have a weakness for SXS shotguns, and that one is nice! As Broken Arrow says, the chambers could likely be lengthened with an ample margin of safety, but I would not personally chose to do so if it were mine. Such a modification would likely decrease value if you intend to sell or trade it soon.

As an alternative, here is a source for current production 2 1/2 inch 16 gauge shells in case you want to hunt with it, or as a selling point for prospective buyers. The shells are not "WalMart promotional shell" priced, but they are not prohibitively expensive either.

http://www.rstshells.com/

Again, nice shotgun. Good luck in finding it the right home and in finding what you want.

moose
02-07-2013, 10:22 PM
9 / 29 SN 288XXX

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I forgot the right barrel end has some funny specking in the bluing, it's not rust.

moose
02-07-2013, 10:49 PM
Ohh and pics of the ammo I have for it. 16 shells worth or so

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