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colin.lee.williams 09-06-2016 07:21 PM

BEWARE: jhall5754, gunsgoner12, kthom116
 
Mods, Please make keep this information public....moderated as you see fit so we don't start a 'hate club' or anything but others need to know this ASAP! Widest dissemination recommended.

In the past 48 hours I have been scammed, or at least they have tried to, in response to a WTB ad I have placed...in this case WRA receivers.

Jhall5754 contacted me thru the forum email..I tried to click on his profile to see his name and it said I do not have 'sufficient privileges' to see the user's profile-CONCERN #1.

His English was broken and he was pushy. The broken English part not such a concern this day & age, but I noticed. However, he was insisting I get the money order Sunday & Monday-both days the Post Office is closed. -DEAD GIVE AWAY #2.

I explained that to him. I said he was too pushy for me continue to the transaction and wished him luck in the sale of his two WRA receivers. He emailed about 15 times in the two hours that followed...including his broken English...ie. 'if you want these please reply me.' -ANOTHER TELL TALE

His payment address was a woman's name at a commercial address on the 'first floor.' -AGAIN DOES NOT ADD UP...TOO MANY ODD THINGS...

So, while I was at work today I got two more PMs and emails....one even included a phone number....in area code 501 'Arkansas.' I emailed and called to both offers....kthom116 'Kelvin Thompson'. The phone call took over a minute to connect and the connection was horrible. I suspect it's a valid number that is forwarded to wherever, my new best friend Kelvin, with his nice Russian accent (yes I know the accent as I speak it too) and he had no clue what I was talking about at first...he insisted I email him even though he emailed me. Sooo, I clicked on his name on the forum and it was a repeat warning of ' do not have sufficient privileges to view the user's profile.'

The third user is gunsgoner12.....all three of these guys (or possibly all the same person) have corresponding matching emails.

Be careful out there.

I consider this site to consist of reputable honest members...but we now have others among us.

Lastly, I suspect after I post this, it will not be popular with my new best friends....so, if you get an unbelievable offer from me...asking you to send payment to Jersey....please don't believe it.

Good luck....hopefully the administrators can clean this up......

r/
Colin

YellowSled 09-06-2016 07:46 PM

I got this today.... Very shady...




Quote:

Originally Posted by gunsgoner12
Hello,i saw your post,have got one for sale,message me to my email so i can send you some pictures and more details about it.here is my private email,
gunsgoner12@outlook.com

Thanks


Lynus448 09-06-2016 07:52 PM

I was contacted by gunsgoner and james3 from my wtb post. Since they didn't have a single post and wanted a direct email, I didn't respond. I hope no one gets scammed.

Thanks Colin for the post! We have to ban together.

B747crew 09-06-2016 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynus448 (Post 1513516)
I was contacted by gunsgoner and james3 from my wtb post. Since they didn't have a single post I didn't respond. I hope no one gets scammed.

I got messages from gunsgoner but didn't respond. This jerk wanted me to contact him via his email

rickplayer 09-06-2016 09:15 PM

Jeez!!!

Kestrel4k 09-06-2016 09:16 PM

Thanks for the heads-up, but this is a pretty typical MO that has been happening in gun forums for a while now re: WTB adds. We need to stay vigilant with respect to new users along these lines. I have rec'd attempted scam contacts to a few of my WTB's on Rimfire Central as well.

KarlJ 09-06-2016 09:20 PM

I recieved one the other day in response to a barrel wtb. He emailed me from jhall5754 at g mail dot com.

And just now I recieved another to my email address from a wtb of an EmCF stock from a "Kay jay" at kayj78 at g mail dot com

hat trick 09-06-2016 11:23 PM

I've received pm's from both gunsgoner12 and james3 in response to a WTB ad. They both requested I contact them through email. Both show 0 posts and "Banned" usernames.

Big_Red 09-07-2016 12:51 AM

Beware
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kestrel4k (Post 1513552)
Thanks for the heads-up, but this is a pretty typical MO that has been happening in gun forums for a while now re: WTB adds. We need to stay vigilant with respect to new users along these lines. I have rec'd attempted scam contacts to a few of my WTB's on Rimfire Central as well.

^^^
This...and not just gun forums...this pervades ANY forum where there is a marketplace/buy & sell section...AKA money involved!

To clarify some of the concerns here and provide SA for everyone, these particular "users," and many like them register just as every one of us did when we first started.
Many are bots, some are real humans. The bots are relatively easy to stop with basic verification procedures. Humans are not...some even get registered and then turn over the log-in info to bots.

With the vBulletin software used for this forum (and many others), new members wanting access are moved to an "awaiting moderation" group after they submit their request for access, where admin reviews their information to try and ensure they are not either bots and/or spammers.
With so many spammers attempting access, as many as 1,800 in a week, it takes a while to get through them.
New members can certainly attest to this frustration of waiting weeks to post, but this is part of the reason it takes so long to get accounts activated.

BUT...while awaiting moderation (and forum account approval), vBulletin allows these users to send PMs and use the "send e-mail" link.
Reasoning is they can then check status of their account with admin and/or mods...I generally get at least a few of these type PMs a week from new members asking for help with account activiation.

Unfortunately, those with ill intent have the same capability and use it to perpetrate stuff like this, or just send spam! And just like the spam/scam e-mails or phone calls we all see, they do this across many fronts, and/or forums.
Even in the military, with all of our firewalls and blocks, some of these type e-mails get through to our .mil addresses occasionally!
We are working with admin to do what we can to stop this. However, just like Jeff Goldblum says in Jurassic Park, "Nature (and scammers) find a way."

Majority are dead giveaways as their messages are garbled, or come across like the "Greetings, I am advisor to Prince of Nigeria and I am wanting you to safeguard $10M for our mutuals benefit.." e-mails. And usually have .ru e-mail addresses (Russian), or obviously foreign e-mail addresses.

However, the users mentioned here and in my fellow mod's sticky, have outlook, gmail, hotmail or yahoo addresses like most do, and they were fairly articulate, though the example in Yellowsled's post not so much. Not to mention, these chuckleheads obviously "cased" the forum and some users as they were able to solicit information specific to what the user was wanting, as evidenced by posts above, and other evidence we've received.

And yes, we know of 2 members here who actually did get scammed out of money by one of these guys!

So...it is an unfortunate part of forum life, and given that this is a basic version of vBulletin, which makes it free for everyone...said everyone should exercise some basic procedures to ensure they don't get scammed if contacted by one of these dudes...


1. If you get a PM from someone soliciting funds for a purchase, etc, first check to see if they are an approved member here.
- Just go to the Community tab at the top and search their username.
- If it does not come up, or you get the message Colin mentioned ("You do not have sufficient privileges"), then that means they are either banned, or are in the group I mentioned earlier (Users awaiting moderation). If they are an approved member, you will at least be able to see their profile and basic account info, depending upon what info they have entered and what is available to view.

As such, if you do proceed, do so with the utmost caution. We do have this happen time to time from new members with honest/good intentions; HOWEVER, in all cases it was a new member wanting to buy...not sell!


2. Feel free to contact a mod or admin to see what the situation is with this particular user if you think it might be legit (had this happen in one case and it worked out for the buyer and seller...but again, this was a new member wanting to BUY something!).


3. Beyond that, heed Colins' advice as to the other warnings/red flags, as you would if you received the same solicitation via your personal e-mail:
- Being pushy
- Name on e-mail doesn't match owner's name or person with whom you talk.
- Description doesn't match pics and/or what they write.
- Person can't answer basic questions about the product they supposedly have. Remember, ask alot of questions!
- PO Box address for payment, or addresses not matching up.
- Name for payment doesn't match name of person
- Using a 3rd person, or different address for receipt of payment
- Or asking you to meet a friend or acquaintance of theirs for payment FTF (NEVER do this!)
- Phone calls that sound like what Colin describe...yes, they are using a US # as a proxy for an international number, or another location. Either way, will take a while to connect, you may hear cross-talk, and the connection will be poor.


Oh yeah, as hat trick mentions, I have banned all the users mentioned here, along with any associated username aliases.

But, it will happen again. As with many activities in life...protect yourself!

Good shooting AND surfing!
Rob

B747crew 09-07-2016 08:13 AM

BTW. Using Gmail is a major give away for scammers. If anything comes to me with a gmail account I trash it.

Roadkingtrax 09-07-2016 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B747crew (Post 1513644)
BTW. Using Gmail is a major give away for scammers. If anything comes to me with a gmail account I trash it.

Many of us use Gmail, that alone isn't a dead giveaway.

Creating repetitive posts, deleting things at random and requiring only strict communication protocols be followed is a bigger red flag to me.

B747crew 09-07-2016 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadkingtrax (Post 1513666)
Many of us use Gmail, that alone isn't a dead giveaway.

Creating repetitive posts, deleting things at random and requiring only strict communication protocols be followed is a bigger red flag to me.

I respectfully disagree as you'll find that an exceptional number of scams are run out of the country using gmail as a non trackable cover email address. Specific "protocols" in communication keep details of business transactions out of the open forum.

ORN197 09-07-2016 10:16 AM

>>Gmail user here<<

Well, I guess 747 and I won't be doing any business.

None of the "free" e-mail services are readily verifiable. What am I supposed to use, my corporate (work) e-mail?

B747crew 09-07-2016 10:23 AM

[QUOTE=ORN197;1513682]>>Gmail user here<<

Well, I guess 747 and I won't be doing any business.

None of the "free" e-mail services are readily verifiable. What am I supposed to use, my corporate (work) e-mail?[/QUOT




Your right none of them are truly verifiable. Doing business with anyone is a conscious decision.

TexRdnec 09-07-2016 10:24 AM

well you can go ahead and approve rrogan as a member

he contacted me yesterday on a carbine I had for sale via PM as he can't post here yet. already received his payment and a copy of his C&R

Wakko 09-07-2016 10:29 AM

I use Gmail.

Roadkingtrax 09-07-2016 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ORN197 (Post 1513682)
>>Gmail user here<<

Well, I guess 747 and I won't be doing any business.

None of the "free" e-mail services are readily verifiable. What am I supposed to use, my corporate (work) e-mail?

Handwritten correspondence and wax seals apparently. :)

SpearheadOrd 09-07-2016 11:15 AM

use of Gmail
 
I also use Gmail as I cannot use my US Government or Corporate email address' during the duty day to conduct personal business. However I either post my address on the forum or provide it in a PM to receive pictures or discuss a transaction.

So I take the chance of being ignored by some on the forum, or hope that my non fractured use of the English language, or the fact that I have an accessible profile on this forum will allay the fears of skeptical forum members.

And here I thought the scammers were limiting themselves to ripping people of in the used car scams on Craig's list.....

Mark

water monkey 09-07-2016 01:29 PM

I also use Gmail as my paypal acct address and have done several transactions with various members here.

Strnge 09-07-2016 10:38 PM

I only use hotmail and have had that account since 1990. Never used a single internet providers supplied account.

jeremy69 09-07-2016 10:58 PM

I am another Gmail user. I always look at post count, join date and look at their posts to see what they are discussing. You can usually tell who is full of it one way or another.

Eliyahu 09-08-2016 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B747crew (Post 1513644)
BTW. Using Gmail is a major give away for scammers. If anything comes to me with a gmail account I trash it.

That may have been the case at one time, not so much any more. I've used Gmail exclusively for over a decade, I only had an 'IAP' (Internet Access Provider) instead of an ISP (Internet Service Provider) that didn't provide email and didn't offer it without domain hosting.

Eli

Submerge 09-08-2016 05:12 PM

Just received a PM from JHALL about a part I was looking for. He was not the one I contacted. So I'll ignore it.

4gun-drill 09-08-2016 06:37 PM

I recieved a PM from JHALL earlier today. It was for a WTB I posted a month ago.

Topkick 09-08-2016 06:55 PM

I received one also, I reported it to Big Red.

colin.lee.williams 09-08-2016 09:10 PM

Success
 
Well, it sounds Precision40 / Rex putting this up front with a sticky has saved at least one more forum member from a potential scam. -Thanks Rex.

My 0645hrs phone call when I was driving to work was none other than jhall, kelvin, or someone else calling from his 501 area code / Arkansas phone number.

I Blocked him and have not had my computer hacked yet....or at least not that I am aware of.

And...also a gmail user here....for years. More reliable communications for me.... I can keep all old emails....to help me keep track of things...

I agree with other comments here...I look at join date, name, #of posts, to get an initial impression of who I may be dealing with.

By the way....all three scammers contacted me thru the forum PM initially. Not to say that system is flawed or any better than email...just passing along that they hit me up that way as well.

r/
Colin

JJBell83 09-09-2016 03:56 AM

He is at it again... Under the name lazguns101. Beware!

nobody 09-09-2016 05:06 AM

What's email ??.
I just sent a handwritten letter in cursive with speelling mistakes. (Brain doesn't have speeel check)

36ID_Redleg 09-09-2016 06:55 AM

BEWARE: jhall5754, gunsgoner12, kthom116
 
Ditto to all the comments previous. I just received an answer to a WTB from "lazguns101" with a directive to respond to jhall5754@gmail.com. The response fits all of the characteristics identified by previous commenters. Recommend to Moderator to add lazguns101 to the banned and blocked list.

Big_Red 09-09-2016 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Submerge (Post 1514156)
Just received a PM from JHALL about a part I was looking for. He was not the one I contacted. So I'll ignore it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4gun-drill (Post 1514184)
I recieved a PM from JHALL earlier today. It was for a WTB I posted a month ago.

Are you guys saying you got a PM from a username of "JHALL"?
I checked and find no username for JHALL. Just the previous one of jhall5475, which was banned.

Please post the content of the PM with the header info so we can see the username.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topkick (Post 1514191)
I received one also, I reported it to Big Red.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 36ID_Redleg (Post 1514341)
I just received an answer to a WTB from "lazguns101" with a directive to respond to jhall5754@gmail.com. Recommend to Moderator to add lazguns101 to the banned and blocked list.

Got it Tom, and done...lazguns101 is banned.


*Break*
For everyone,
No need/no use to debate what web-based e-mail these people use/which is more susceptible to scams, etc....they use all of them, and as mentioned earlier by someone, anyone can create an email account with them.

And when a forum account is created here, it's not the email address that is being verified anyway....the email, whatever it is, is just used to send a verification email so the USER can be verified.

Thank you.

Caesar1 09-09-2016 06:05 PM

****

Private Message: early numbered bullet guide

**

**Today, 06:49 PM

gungunner99**

**

Join Date: Sep 2016

Posts: 0

**early numbered bullet guide

Hello,i saw your post,have got one for sale,message me to my email so i can send you some pictures and more details about it.here is my private email,
jhall5754@gmail.com

Thanks

**


Quick Reply

Kaliman 09-10-2016 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caesar1 (Post 1514557)
****

Private Message: early numbered bullet guide

**

**Today, 06:49 PM

gungunner99**

**

Join Date: Sep 2016

Posts: 0

**early numbered bullet guide

Hello,i saw your post,have got one for sale,message me to my email so i can send you some pictures and more details about it.here is my private email,
jhall5754@gmail.com

Thanks

**


Quick Reply


I posted a WTB ad and got a PM from the same email and username.

Orlando 09-11-2016 05:47 AM

This same guy is on other gun forums doing the same thing.

ODCMP 09-12-2016 08:00 PM

On other forums, some of them seem to also be spoofing the "Join Date" to an earlier date.

1563621 09-13-2016 06:21 AM

gunfreak64, is another. Replied to post in WTB section.

Kaliman 09-13-2016 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1563621 (Post 1515636)
gunfreak64, is another. Replied to post in WTB section.

Just got a PM from him as well. Email is the same as the username, at gmail . Com

Dusty31 09-13-2016 07:13 AM

Just got a PM from gunfreak64. Here's the screenshot of the PM I received, and the message I got when I tried to see his profile.

http://s1268.photobucket.com/user/ph...ket-9/library/

colin.lee.williams 09-13-2016 07:15 AM

A second on gunfreak64
 
I sat down at the computer this morning with my cup of coffee and had a PM from gunfreak64....responding to my wtb ad


He added his email address:
gunfreak64@gmail.com

M1Riflenut 09-13-2016 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin.lee.williams (Post 1515647)
I sat down at the computer this morning with my cup of coffee and had a PM from gunfreak64....responding to my wtb ad


He added his email address:
gunfreak64@gmail.com

Same thing here, replied to my WTB post saying he had what I need. Zero posts and banned.

joemel12 09-19-2016 07:45 PM

caution:ghrkhri12
 
looks like another scammer. Same message in other listed posts. He did provide an email address, profile can't be accessed due to privileges which is incorrect and posts.


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