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LEAD POISON 09-09-2019 11:00 AM

m 84 scope question
 
I'd like to mount a M84 into vintage 7/8 Redfield top split rings .Can I open my M84 to slide into the rings,Without harming,changing anything in the scope.

Or is there other split side rings in Vintage 7/8 Redfield configuration .
Instructions would be great.:confused:
Please list any problems that may arise.

Jakeroub 09-09-2019 11:59 AM

The M84 is supposed to nitrogen-filled, so it is probably not advisable to take it apart.

I believe that one approach is the bend the rings open then bend them closed over the scope.

cplnorton 09-09-2019 05:49 PM

I know some who have tried. There is no way to install them that they found in the spilt top rings other than disassembly of the scope.

On the split side rings in 7/8, I've swear I've seen them that were just a commercial blue at shows.

I would try to find a set of these in steel, and then just have them parked.

LEAD POISON 09-09-2019 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cplnorton (Post 1867844)
I know some who have tried. There is no way to install them that they found in the spilt top rings other than disassembly of the scope.

On the split side rings in 7/8, I've swear I've seen them that were just a commercial blue at shows.

I would try to find a set of these in steel, and then just have them parked.

Thanks As my assumption also.

Rich/WIS 09-10-2019 07:20 AM

At one time the CMP sold a base and ring set for the A4 that came with horizontally split rings, these are what I used on mine. I have seen several original A4's and they had the horizontally split rings. Doubt if you could bend the split top rings enough to install a scope without destroying them.

Twinson 09-10-2019 11:59 AM

The M84 scope is not nitrogen filled. Just sealed.

Tom in N.J. 09-11-2019 09:31 AM

The M84 scope did not become available until very late in the Korean war. At that time Lyman made replacement M1903A4 (Redfield) bases. Standard Redfield commercial split rings were procured for the mounting of M84 scopes. Leave them blue, that's the way most were. Scope, rings, and carry case obtained on this site in 2004....

https://i.imgur.com/ZsXYwp3.jpg

JDGaynor 09-11-2019 09:19 PM

Although it has often been reported that Lyman Manufactured the Korean War "Redfield Jr." scope bases. I have never seen any convincing evidence that this is the case. I think probably what really happened is that Redfield manufactured the the bases for Lyman who then in turn packaged them in G.I. plain brown envelopes.

Why would Lyman go to the trouble of tooling up to make a product that was not already in its commercial line up just to fill a fairly small government order?

None of the Korean War bases is marked (unlike all the ww 2 bases). JMHO :)

LEAD POISON 09-11-2019 09:52 PM

Okay thanks everybody.
I ended up buying 1" Redfield rings and 7/8" spacers.
Problem solved .

cplnorton 09-12-2019 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDGaynor (Post 1868404)
Although it has often been reported that Lyman Manufactured the Korean War "Redfield Jr." scope bases. I have never seen any convincing evidence that this is the case. I think probably what really happened is that Redfield manufactured the the bases for Lyman who then in turn packaged them in G.I. plain brown envelopes.

Why would Lyman go to the trouble of tooling up to make a product that was not already in its commercial line up just to fill a fairly small government order?

None of the Korean War bases is marked (unlike all the ww 2 bases). JMHO :)

Jim!!! We have missed you! We have wondered where you have been. :)

I sort of looked back to see if I had any info on this. All I can find is they first start to talk about the M84 rings for the A4 in May 1951. They mention Lyman in one document, but it seems to be more a generic term on describing what scope they fit, more so than the maker. For example they mention also "weaver" rings.

At this time, they had just ordered the Lyman Alaskan scopes, what we believe are the B serial range.

So they seem to have nicknamed the rings, at least in the one doc.

I see several mentions of the M84 rings from May 1951 to about May 1952.

I hope you start getting back on some more. I sure miss your posts on the 03A4. :)


BTW, as far as the M84's go, it looks like the first shipments were July 1951.


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