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lesssparks 12-03-2017 01:22 PM

Need Help With Garand Markings
 
Hello,

I am new to Garands. I received my first one from CMP in October, a service grade Springfield. I am interested in any information you can give me about this rifle. I looked up the date of the serial number, 407356, and found the receiver was made in the middle of December 1941. The barrel is dated 7-45. The rest of the parts appear to be a mix of later dates. The main question I have is what does the electric pen marking on the side of the receiver mean? It appears to be "S ? 11-67". I assume this means it was reworked in November 1967. Is the first part recognizable? I think the first letter is an S, but I cannot make out the second letter. Also, what does "REP 18A" mean?

Photos can be seen at the links below.

Thanks for the help.


http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0001.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0002.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0003.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0004.jpg

BigsWick 12-03-2017 01:30 PM

Pictures 2 and 3 show the rifle was overhauled at Springfield Armory in November 1967.

"SA 11-67"

Kansas Poster 12-03-2017 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesssparks (Post 1659979)
Hello,

I am new to Garands. I received my first one from CMP in October, a service grade Springfield. I am interested in any information you can give me about this rifle. I looked up the date of the serial number, 407356, and found the receiver was made in the middle of December 1941. The barrel is dated 7-45. The rest of the parts appear to be a mix of later dates. The main question I have is what does the electric pen marking on the side of the receiver mean? It appears to be "S ? 11-67". I assume this means it was reworked in November 1967. Is the first part recognizable? I think the first letter is an S, but I cannot make out the second letter. Also, what does "REP 18A" mean?

Photos can be seen at the links below.

Thanks for the help.

I think that is a SA 11-67. Bad job by the guy doing it. Also think that the 7-45 barrel was put on in 1967.

REP 18A is the heat lot for the receiver when it was made in Dec 41.

ROC 12-03-2017 02:14 PM

Welcome to the group of M1 addicts. Pretty sure this will not be your last. The more time you spend here the worse the infection will get.

Ronwall 12-03-2017 03:50 PM

A Pearl Harbor month rifle. Very cool. Congrats.

Craftsman 12-03-2017 04:26 PM

And rebuilt at Springfield Armory just a year before it closed it's historic doors as the Nationals first Armory/Arsenal. Nice M1 to have!

rob30-06 12-03-2017 05:18 PM

I am seeing 11-63 - hard to explain why, but I will try...
 
Guys,
You are going to think I am crazy, but first we need to agree that the inspector for Springfield had handwriting that s*cked.
Many of the etches dated are barely legible.

I have examples of 1963 that look very similar to the OPs so I am going to call it 11-63.
Usually the barrel date can help with this call, but not in this case.

The last Springfield rebuild date I have verified and recorded is May of 1966.

Springfield made some of the most beautiful rebuilds with the Olive colored park, but the inspectors handwriting makes dating difficult without dated examples with replaced barrels to help verify.

Nice rifle OP so I hope you do not mind if I add it to my database.

Rob

Ronwall 12-03-2017 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob30-06 (Post 1660048)
Guys,
You are going to think I am crazy, but first we need to agree that the inspector for Springfield had handwriting that s*cked.
Many of the etched dated are barely legible.

I have examples of 1963 that look very similar to the OPs so I am going to call it 11-63.
Usually the barrel date can help with this call, but not in this case.

The last Springfield rebuild date I have verified and recorded is May of 1966.

Springfield made some of the most beautiful rebuilds with the Olive colored park, but the inspectors handwriting makes dating difficult without dated examples with replaced barrels to help verify.

Nice rifle OP so I hope you do not mind if I add it to my database.

Rob

For comparative purposes here is a SA 12-65 rebuild that is on a IHC SG that I bought at South Store. Rob, you already have this one.

https://s8.postimg.org/l9ma17l1x/20171117_220946.jpg

lesssparks 12-03-2017 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob30-06 (Post 1660048)
Guys,

Nice rifle OP so I hope you do not mind if I add it to my database.

Rob

Please do and thanks for the info. I can see the 63 in the light of bad hand writing.

lesssparks 12-03-2017 07:01 PM

My original intensions were to get a service grade Garand and re-barrel it and do what ever else needed to be done to make it a really good shooter. After learning when the receiver was made, all I could envision was the workers at Springfield Armory working long hours to build as many rifles as possible due to Pearl Harbor. I assume the receiver date does not add much in value, being that it is a service grade rifle. What would you do, leave it as it is or make it a project gun? I could always buy another SG to tinker with. Please don't twist my arm. LOL

This barrel has a TE=4 and ME=2. Even so, it still shoots better than I do. I am really enjoying shooting it.

Orlando 12-03-2017 07:05 PM

if it shoots better than you do why mess with it??

rob30-06 12-03-2017 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesssparks (Post 1660077)
My original intensions were to get a service grade Garand and re-barrel it and do what ever else needed to be done to make it a really good shooter. After learning when the receiver was made, all I could envision was the workers at Springfield Armory working long hours to build as many rifles as possible due to Pearl Harbor. I assume the receiver date does not add much in value, being that it is a service grade rifle. What would you do, leave it as it is or make it a project gun? I could always buy another SG to tinker with. Please don't twist my arm. LOL

This barrel has a TE=4 and ME=2. Even so, it still shoots better than I do. I am really enjoying shooting it.

I would shoot it an enjoy it and not change it much if you don't have to.
just my 2 cents,
Rob

69Shelby 12-03-2017 10:49 PM

Congratulations on what sounds like a great rifle! I have one that is a close relative (about 450 rifles earlier than yours). I would love to see more pictures when you can post some. Welcome to the forum

lesssparks 12-04-2017 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69Shelby (Post 1660132)
Congratulations on what sounds like a great rifle! I have one that is a close relative (about 450 rifles earlier than yours). I would love to see more pictures when you can post some. Welcome to the forum

Thanks for the welcome. Below are links to a few more pictures. In the later pictures you will notice I have put on a milled trigger guard, a National Match rear site aperture, and a leather sling. At this point, I do not plan to make any more changes.

http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0005.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0006.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0007.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0008.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0009.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0010.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0011.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0012.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0013.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0014.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0015.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0016.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0017.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0018.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0019.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0020.jpg
http://www.lessparks.net/m1/img_0021.jpg

rob30-06 12-04-2017 02:03 PM

The stock looks to be a Springfield. It may be the stock that was on it when it went thru rebuild in 1963.
Is the stock bedded where the trigger group tightens up on it?

Rob

lesssparks 12-04-2017 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob30-06 (Post 1660294)
The stock looks to be a Springfield. It may be the stock that was on it when it went thru rebuild in 1963.
Is the stock bedded where the trigger group tightens up on it?

Rob

Yes the stock is bedded. It had dots of epoxy on the stock all around the area of the trigger group. I could not figure out how the dots got on the stock until I removed the trigger group. I could then see the dots were bedding compound. I tried to get as many of the dots off as possible. There are still a few small spots visible on each side.

The trigger group locked up the receiver to the stock nicely when I received the rifle. The tension is almost too great with the milled trigger guard installed - of course I do not know what "too great" is for a Garand. The finish on the milled trigger guard is not very good, but the pins have almost no wear on them. The stamped trigger guard has some wear on the pins.

jerryjeff 12-04-2017 09:19 PM

-Springfield made some of the most beautiful rebuilds with the Olive colored park,-

I saw one just yesterday at the Phx Gun Show. SA rebuild with good crisp ser. no. and deep olive green finish. I really liked it. Now that I have read this thread I'm sad I didn't pick it up. The price wasn't bad, right at a $1,000.


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