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sunanjhan 12-05-2018 06:52 PM

1911 arrived
 
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It has a Colt's PT. F.A. MFG CO. Hartford. Conn. U.S.A. slide with numbers 7790314 on the other, new barrel, GHD, ANAD 4 76, SA,. Where would I find the frame information? These photos taken in the sun and shows the finish as it is, reminds me of my Valmet76 finish. I Like It!

weimar_police 12-05-2018 07:20 PM

excellent - very nice 1911a1 !!

Enyce9 12-05-2018 07:20 PM

I believe they write the manufacturer of the frame on the tag, so I think you may have a matching frame and slide....

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gap 12-05-2018 07:36 PM

Colt frame and a replacement Colt slide.

Reaper6 12-05-2018 10:55 PM

Nice, I'd consider myself lucky if I got one like that!

MajorD 12-06-2018 12:31 AM

With 1911A1’s it is pretty easy to identify frames:
Inspection mark of FJA is either Remington Rand or Ithaca
RCD in circle is union switch and signal
A frame with an s prefix serial number is singer
Any thing else ( primarily ghd) is colt

DDRode 12-06-2018 07:57 AM

:2T:

Blockhead 12-06-2018 08:29 AM

Nice ANAD rebuild.

Stormeaston 12-06-2018 08:30 AM

That's a dandy!!!!!

1stgarand 12-06-2018 01:47 PM

Some of these have been heavily sand blasted. I guess from numerous rebuilding. But it is what it is. Good for you. At least you got yours! I'm still waiting to see if I get a number...:(..Thanks for posting pictures.

bucketofgut 12-06-2018 09:31 PM

Great pics. Lovely CMP delivered !911A1.:D

ZvenoMan 12-06-2018 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogtripper (Post 1780458)
I don't want to second guess the armorers, but market value wise samples that are that worn should be dropped in grade. I mean if it were a garand with a grade C receiver that was heavily sand blasted and reparked, would it really be sold as a SG?

CMP1911 grades are posted, and are not the same as CMP’s M1s.
If you get one that doesn’t meet grade I am sure CMP will resolve it.
Jh

mikezee 12-06-2018 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZvenoMan (Post 1780479)
CMP1911 grades are posted, and are not the same as CMP’s M1s.
If you get one that doesn’t meet grade I am sure CMP will resolve it.
Jh

Ditto.

greypilgrim76 12-07-2018 09:46 AM

The greenish tint to the parkerization is exactly how I picture a GI 1911. That exact look would be my preference!

sunanjhan 12-07-2018 10:28 AM

Very Happy with it! Oiled and Lubed it yesterday and the lettering that seemed obscure popped out and the color of the park is perfect, dark gray nearing black and close in color to a Garand. A friend dropped by and his reaction as a naysayer was "No Sh** and it's got new arsenal park". He will submit next go round. If you receive an ANAD Rebuild oil that baby...…….

T334 12-07-2018 08:05 PM

So happy for you're great piece.

Kraaaken 12-07-2018 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZvenoMan (Post 1780479)
CMP1911 grades are posted, and are not the same as CMP’s M1s.

If you get one that doesn’t meet grade I am sure CMP will resolve it.

Jh


I had issue with mine and contacted CMP support requesting a replacement but they said they all have that sandblasted look. They offered me a refund. I passed. Will shoot he heck out of it and maybe carry her.
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AutogunNY 12-08-2018 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kraaaken (Post 1780898)
I had issue with mine and contacted CMP support requesting a replacement but they said they all have that sandblasted look. They offered me a refund. I passed. Will shoot he heck out of it and maybe carry her.
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I'm sure you'd have no problem selling...

Jeff1963 12-08-2018 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper6 (Post 1780144)
Nice, I'd consider myself lucky if I got one like that!



Me too, exactly what I would want.


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ZvenoMan 12-08-2018 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff1963 (Post 1781010)
Me too, exactly what I would want.


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Interesting. I am curious, for those who don't like this (FYI, I would be 100% satisfied with all posted in this thread), just what was expected, based on the descriptions given and actual facts released (including the AR article)?
The newest was made in what, 1945? They were advertised (not that CMP needed to repeat this) as having been in service since, and many were rebuilt and placed in storage.
That is what I envisioned. Will there be some gems in the general release; well, based on CMP's history, I expect such (and have seen them in the 1911s). Am I hoping for something "better"? I can't say that I am; knowing what the market prices are and what CMP described; what I have seen seems to exceed my expectations. I have, after all, seen 1911s in (recent) military service. I don't recall seeing any collector items!

Here's the thing: All on this forum know now what to expect, so when CMP calls wanting that credit card number, you have so been informed. If you post (after this week; clearly some in this thread did not expect what they got :D ) that you feel betrayed, personally attacked or swindled, don't be offended at the lack of sympathy received.

Apologies if this offended anyone, not my intention at all. If what has been pictured isn't what you want, then simply don't buy it.
JH

Jeff1963 12-08-2018 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZvenoMan (Post 1781018)
Interesting. I am curious, for those who don't like this (FYI, I would be 100% satisfied with all posted in this thread), just what was expected, based on the descriptions given and actual facts released (including the AR article)?

The newest was made in what, 1945? They were advertised (not that CMP needed to repeat this) as having been in service since, and many were rebuilt and placed in storage.

That is what I envisioned. Will there be some gems in the general release; well, based on CMP's history, I expect such (and have seen them in the 1911s). Am I hoping for something "better"? I can't say that I am; knowing what the market prices are and what CMP described; what I have seen seems to exceed my expectations. I have, after all, seen 1911s in (recent) military service. I don't recall seeing any collector items!



Here's the thing: All on this forum know now what to expect, so when CMP calls wanting that credit card number, you have so been informed. If you post (after this week; clearly some in this thread did not expect what they got :D ) that you feel betrayed, personally attacked or swindled, don't be offended at the lack of sympathy received.



Apologies if this offended anyone, not my intention at all. If what has been pictured isn't what you want, then simply don't buy it.

JH



For further clarification, John. I would be happy with one less pristine than the SG’s that have been received so far. I remember last winter here and other forums where guys were speculating that these pistols would be junk, not worth the “hoops”, application too hard..etc ad nauseum. Well, here we are and these pistols are definitely not “junk”....LOL


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Kraaaken 12-08-2018 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZvenoMan (Post 1781018)
Interesting. I am curious, for those who don't like this (FYI, I would be 100% satisfied with all posted in this thread), just what was expected, based on the descriptions given and actual facts released (including the AR article)?



Well, the pictures in the American Rifleman article shows the 1911s as dark brown and legible not sandblasted grey requiring an oil layer. That was what I was expecting.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...-inside-story/
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ZvenoMan 12-08-2018 02:36 PM

That was one picture, of a crate from the museum system. The article mentions the majority of them being boxed, and I recall Mr. Johnson unboxing one of those as well. In fact, the article specifically mentions one from that crate will be an auction pistol.
The article also clearly shows a series of photos of the just-unboxed (as in the bulk of this year's shipment) being a rebuild, freshly parked, quite possibly the one you received :D
I understand you are happy with yours, as most of us would be.

My reading the many sources (that article, CMP1911-actual posts, descriptions on the CMP / 1911 websites caused me to expect pretty much what you got. Anything better is just a freak bonus, to me.
JH

Fogtripper 12-08-2018 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZvenoMan (Post 1781018)
Interesting. I am curious, for those who don't like this (FYI, I would be 100% satisfied with all posted in this thread), just what was expected, based on the descriptions given and actual facts released (including the AR article)?
The newest was made in what, 1945? They were advertised (not that CMP needed to repeat this) as having been in service since, and many were rebuilt and placed in storage.
That is what I envisioned. Will there be some gems in the general release; well, based on CMP's history, I expect such (and have seen them in the 1911s). Am I hoping for something "better"? I can't say that I am; knowing what the market prices are and what CMP described; what I have seen seems to exceed my expectations. I have, after all, seen 1911s in (recent) military service. I don't recall seeing any collector items!

Here's the thing: All on this forum know now what to expect, so when CMP calls wanting that credit card number, you have so been informed. If you post (after this week; clearly some in this thread did not expect what they got :D ) that you feel betrayed, personally attacked or swindled, don't be offended at the lack of sympathy received.

Apologies if this offended anyone, not my intention at all. If what has been pictured isn't what you want, then simply don't buy it.
JH

You know that the posts that have the opposing view of what have been graded as SGs have been deleted and warned against, so what is your point of rubbing salt in it? Would be happy to discuss this topic but it is clearly not a discussion that is welcome here.

ZvenoMan 12-08-2018 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogtripper (Post 1781052)
You know that the posts that have the opposing view of what have been graded as SGs have been deleted and warned against, so what is your point of rubbing salt in it? Would be happy to discuss this topic but it is clearly not a discussion that is welcome here.

Some of us can in fact engage in a debate without resorting to name calling (one of your posts that was deleted), agitation (a few others, apparently deleted) and significant discontent in this 100% voluntary spend of our 1st world discretionary funds.

You don't like CMP1911's offerings. I get it. And I don't care. I have yet to see one posted CMP 1911 that would not make me more than happy considering the $1070 spent.I haven't seen one that appeared to not meet the grade description. But I have seen a few that far exceeded such.

I have no control over your feelings sir. I sincerely apologize for your salted wound and wish you nothing but the best in your future endeavors.

Respectfully;
JH

Edit: I thought about this a bit. Rubbing salt in wounds? No sir. Not my intent, and I suspect most would not interpret them as such.
Presenting facts and using logic, not false hope. CMP, in my experience, does not delete posts with alternate views, but I have seen a pattern of them taking action against posts that are inaccurate, demeaning or simply hateful.
I personally enjoy a spirited discussion among professionals, but when posters make cowardly statement from their keyboards that they would not have the courage to say in person; I always see those deleted.

Kraaaken 12-08-2018 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZvenoMan (Post 1781049)
That was one picture, of a crate from the museum system. The article mentions the majority of them being boxed, and I recall Mr. Johnson unboxing one of those as well. In fact, the article specifically mentions one from that crate will be an auction pistol.
The article also clearly shows a series of photos of the just-unboxed (as in the bulk of this year's shipment) being a rebuild, freshly parked, quite possibly the one you received :D
I understand you are happy with yours, as most of us would be.

My reading the many sources (that article, CMP1911-actual posts, descriptions on the CMP / 1911 websites caused me to expect pretty much what you got. Anything better is just a freak bonus, to me.
JH

Well feels like a bit of bait and switch to me. Will see how the auction goes.

ZvenoMan 12-08-2018 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kraaaken (Post 1781093)
Well feels like a bit of bait and switch to me. Will see how the auction goes.

No disrespect intended, but the article you linked was pretty clear.

A few notable quotes from that article:
  • These 8,000 pistols fought on battlefields from Europe to Southeast Asia, only to then be consigned to long-term storage in a government warehouse.
  • For all of their attractive and inherently collectible qualities though, these museum system guns represent the minority of the 8,000 currently on hand at the CMP and it is likely that they will all receive Auction Grade designation.
  • On the other hand, the majority of the pistols currently in the vault are M1911A1s that were until recently in a Defense Logistics Agency warehouse. These pistols were rebuilt at Anniston Army Depot (“ANAD”) between 1978 and 1982, and they wear a light gray Parkerized finish.
  • When these pistols are made available for purchase later this year, they will be graded according to overall condition and sold at the following prices: Service Grade, $1,050 plus shipping; Field Grade, $950 plus shipping; and Rack Grade, $850 plus shipping.
  • The CMP expects to receive as many as 75,000 orders for the 8,000 pistols now sitting in the vault, so a lottery system will be used to select buyers.
  • One thing is for certain, though. All of them will sell—making 8,000 enthusiasts, collectors and marksmen proud new owners of John Browning’s masterpiece.

I included the last 2; note that we were all expecting the process to sort the applications received in September to take months, not weeks before pistols started appearing.
Of course, none of the above changes my contempt for CMP's unfair lottery system; unfair simply because ~1500 people who are not me have been notified of their RNG number. Once I am so notified I will consider CMP to be fair and efficient.

(Sarcasm for the .0002% who have not learned that I live and breath such)

JH

grumpa72 12-08-2018 06:37 PM

Zvenoman,

:GS: I like your post but I REALLY like your sarcasm aka humor.

rapid86 12-08-2018 07:02 PM

Zvenoman:

You're right on the money this time. Two solutions have been offered for the problem raised -- a less than personally satisfactory 1911-A1: Return it for a refund or sell it on the open market. As Henry II would have said, "Will no one rid us of this troublesome priest?"

I was fortunate enough to get my first carbine in the lottery of two years ago. When I first got it, I wasn't real happy with it, mostly based on too many loose parts. Easy repairs for me, turned out to be a great shooter; quite accurate. All that counted for me.

Todd 12-08-2018 07:33 PM

I feel Lucky just getting a # in the 2k range, and will certainly be happy with any 1911/A1 I receive. Ya I have my fingers crossed for a Colt Slide, but whatever I get I will give it a good loving home and feed it lots of ammo. ;-)

cmp1911admin 12-08-2018 07:38 PM

Tony, as I said, if you are not happy, we will refund your money. I resent your remark that
"Well feels like a bit of bait and switch to me." This is why we did not post photos of the grades, people whine and cry that "mine does not look like what was shown in the photo". They are all a different shade of gray, as orders are processed one is pulled and shipped. Like I said send it back we will refund your money and sell it to someone that wants it.

USMC1369 12-08-2018 08:07 PM

My worn out rattle trap totally unacceptable Remington-Rand received Tuesday. It’s got faint roll marks and is a LEAD rebuild as opposed to ANSD. Am I happy! You bet I am. Never thought we’d see the day we would be able to buy these direct with the provenance. I’m a Vietnam era Marine and this is like a new gun compared to those we had. https://imgur.com/user/usmc13369

Kraaaken 12-08-2018 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmp1911admin (Post 1781172)
Tony, as I said, if you are not happy, we will refund your money. I resent your remark that
"Well feels like a bit of bait and switch to me." This is why we did not post photos of the grades, people whine and cry that "mine does not look like what was shown in the photo". They are all a different shade of gray, as orders are processed one is pulled and shipped. Like I said send it back we will refund your money and sell it to someone that wants it.

Sorry Mike nothing personal really. I know you all are working very hard. All I had to go on was those pix in the article. I literally have to squint to Read the roll marks but could be due in part to my old eyes! I will however take an exchange for a more readable model since this is a once in a lifetime transaction. Let me know. I’ll bow out of these conversations and let others give opinion on theirs. Best regards though friend. T

tbone69 12-08-2018 08:43 PM

Put some oil on you'll be able to see the markings a lot better

Kraaaken 12-08-2018 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbone69 (Post 1781193)
Put some oil on you'll be able to see the markings a lot better

Thanks but should I have to for a true service grade? Didn’t have to do that for my”service grade” IHC M1 Garand from CMP I got a couple of years ago...

tbone69 12-08-2018 09:07 PM

What the hell do you think these are new guns. They've been through several rebuilds. Every time they're sandblasted you getting more distortion. Sometimes the arsenals have even re stamped the serial numbers
That's as plain as I can put it.

USMC1369 12-08-2018 09:13 PM

Take a look at mine Kraken. Is yours similar? They probably shipped the same day or ver close.

tbone69 12-08-2018 09:17 PM

I'll buy it off of you if you don't want it.

Kraaaken 12-08-2018 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbone69 (Post 1781208)
I'll buy it off of you if you don't want it.

Yours looks great sir! Mine is here. https://imgur.com/gallery/42FwjNF
A bit loose and rattly too. Luck of the draw!

Shomway 12-08-2018 09:28 PM

When does the "bowing" start?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kraaaken (Post 1781191)
Sorry Mike nothing personal really. I know you all are working very hard. All I had to go on was those pix in the article. I literally have to squint to Read the roll marks but could be due in part to my old eyes! I will however take an exchange for a more readable model since this is a once in a lifetime transaction. Let me know. I’ll bow out of these conversations and let others give opinion on theirs. Best regards though friend. T



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