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Jtbaker1989 03-24-2018 08:11 PM

M16 oiler
 
Iím sorry if this is the wrong section to post. Wasnít sure where to ask this.
I remember seeing a Oiler for a M16 that was a older/vintage piece at a gunshow. I remember it being a hand pump oil with a long thin needle on it. Apparently it came with a form of grafite for the M16s. Iím not sure if it was USGI or a commercial version.
Does anyone know what Iím talking about or am I horrible at descriptions. I would love to have one, but before I start hunting for one, I gotta know what Iím looking for! Thanks

Louisxllx 03-24-2018 08:38 PM

I was in the Army 1977-81. Then the National Guard until 83. Never saw anything like that. We started with LSA and ended with CLP.

moose 03-25-2018 12:58 AM

The Oiler for an m16 was a small white plastic bottle you put LSA in. Just a squeezie bottle. Most grunts just carried the larger green LSA bottle.

edlmann 03-25-2018 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by moose (Post 1700789)
The Oiler for an m16 was a small white plastic bottle you put LSA in. Just a squeezie bottle. Most grunts just carried the larger green LSA bottle.

The small bottles also came in OD green. Lots available on eBay.

rickgman 03-25-2018 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moose (Post 1700789)
The Oiler for an m16 was a small white plastic bottle you put LSA in. Just a squeezie bottle. Most grunts just carried the larger green LSA bottle.

Yep, that is definitely the case. There were also cream/tan colored large LSA bottles that contained a high viscocity version of LSA.

Jtbaker1989 03-25-2018 01:48 PM

This may have been a civilian version. I do know it was a metal hand pump can with a long needle on it and had grafite in it

Gewehr43 03-25-2018 05:16 PM

Sir:
I've never seen something like this for an M16/AR...............
Even in the civilian world, it's been some sort of liquid lubricant.
Best of luck!

Are you sure it isn't for an older weapon?

moose 03-25-2018 06:32 PM

There was some sort of toothpaste tube of something.

You can see it in the m16 field expedients video.

moose 03-25-2018 09:13 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyrkRwjG6Ao&t=760s

Toothpaste tube of LSA

schutzen-jager 03-26-2018 06:44 AM

i think it was a commercial product called Dri Slide - came in several different containers all with a long needle -

Jtbaker1989 03-26-2018 09:11 AM

I have a friend who has one i found out. It has says "Dri-Slide Applicator". Its in a silver metal can with a black top and the needle is silver as well. The label is white with red lettering.
A google search of it doesnt show what im after. I found several metal cans but none that has the hand pump with the long needle

Jtbaker1989 03-26-2018 03:58 PM

Found Dri-Slide company and phone number. Called and talked to them. The guy knew what i was talking about. He said that they didnt market that type of oiler to the commerical side. It was government only. He said they used this stuff during vietnam and forward untill 2002 when they switched to CLP. Dri-slide outsourced some of their work out so different companies were making the same stuff. Again, this is what the person was telling me. But atleast i know they made them and since i know of one out there, there has to be more.

Gewehr43 03-26-2018 04:36 PM

Sir:
I'm glad you found what you were looking for!

I'll be interested in you posting your find!

That said, I first joined the US Army in 1987 and we either used CLP or LSA.
I have not seen or heard what it is you have there.

But I'm willing to learn........... and learn something new every day!

rickgman 03-26-2018 06:36 PM

Gentlemen, Dri-Slide is basically molybdenum disulfide suspended in a carrier. The carrier evaporates and leaves a coating of molybdenum disulfide on the parts. Reportedly, Dri-Slide was sent to troops in VN by friends and family members but I never heard of it being acquired and issued by the government for small arms usage but I could be wrong. Also, it could have been acquired for usages other than small arms. I personally have some issues with the concept of a dry lubricant when it comes to firearms - especially M16's or M4's. The best way I know to keep a DI weapon functioning is to keep it "wet" with lubricant so that the carbon does not harden on the BCG. Keeping the carbon is suspension is the way to go.

Jtbaker1989 03-26-2018 09:15 PM

I have been tearing google apart trying to even find a picture of it but no luck. My friend who owns the applicator will be up in a few weeks am$ he’s going to bring it so I can get a picture of it and show everyone

schutzen-jager 03-27-2018 06:45 AM

could find no record of government procurement - it is still used in hi quality springer air guns for internal piston lubrication - still have the can + needle that i got with my Weihrauch HW 50 back in the early 80's - it would leave a giant mess if used in firing mechanism or action parts of a firearm - also the graphite is very corrosive + galling if used on aluminum [ doubt that it would be authorized for use on m16's with the aluminum upper + receiver + etc. ] -

rickgman 03-27-2018 05:47 PM

schutzen-jager, molybdenum disulfide (MoS2) is a silvery black solid that looks a lot like graphite but it isn't graphite. It is relatively unreactive.

schutzen-jager 03-28-2018 06:42 AM

CAS: 64742-88-7 EINECS: 265-191-7
Solvent naphtha (petroleum), medium aliph. STOT RE 1, H372; Asp. Tox. 1, H304; Flam. Liq. 4, H227
50-100%
CAS: 64742-53-6 EINECS: 265-156-6
Process oil Carc. 1B, H350
 2.5%
CAS: 68649-42-3 EINECS: 272-028-3
Phosphorodithioic acid, O,O-di-C1-14-alkyl esters, zinc salts Eye Dam. 1, H318; Skin Irrit. 2, H315
 2.5%

rickgman 03-28-2018 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by schutzen-jager (Post 1701951)
CAS: 64742-88-7 EINECS: 265-191-7
Solvent naphtha (petroleum), medium aliph. STOT RE 1, H372; Asp. Tox. 1, H304; Flam. Liq. 4, H227
50-100%
CAS: 64742-53-6 EINECS: 265-156-6
Process oil Carc. 1B, H350
 2.5%
CAS: 68649-42-3 EINECS: 272-028-3
Phosphorodithioic acid, O,O-di-C1-14-alkyl esters, zinc salts Eye Dam. 1, H318; Skin Irrit. 2, H315
 2.5%

schutzen-jager, The data you posted is obviously the data contained on the MSDS for Dri-Slide. There is one problem with using MSDS data when it comes to understanding the chemical compostiion of a product - MSDS's only are required to contain hazardous materials which may be contained in the product. Otherwise, the manufacturer would be required to provide their formulation which might be proprietary so many chemicals are missing from MSDS's. Take what you read on MSDS's as only a partial story of chemical composition.

Jtbaker1989 03-28-2018 12:45 PM

Im just curious as to where i can find the applicator only

MajDave 03-28-2018 01:08 PM

In the military from 1974-2014 with M16 and M9 being my issues weapons. Only oil ever issued was LSA and later CLP in small plastic bottles found in the weapon cleaning kit. I still use CLP today to clean my weapons, though it is getting harder to find.

Jtbaker1989 03-28-2018 01:46 PM

https://www.cherrybalmz.com/history-...eat-disconnect

Found this info. Good read. Talks about dri-slide and being "tested" during vietnam. According to this article, the Marines used it and Army did not.

Jtbaker1989 03-28-2018 01:47 PM

Also found this: http://www.lubritek.com/military_weapons

Gewehr43 03-29-2018 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jtbaker1989 (Post 1702096)
https://www.cherrybalmz.com/history-...eat-disconnect

Found this info. Good read. Talks about dri-slide and being "tested" during vietnam. According to this article, the Marines used it and Army did not.

Yes...... Thanks for the info!
Now I know Dri-slide was tested in 1966.

Are you able to order what you want from lubritek?

rickgman 03-29-2018 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jtbaker1989 (Post 1702097)

Regardless of the claims, dry lubrication can be problematic in a weapon system - especially in a DI system. To this day, I still use LSA - and use it liberally on BCG's.

Jtbaker1989 03-29-2018 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gewehr43 (Post 1702242)
Yes...... Thanks for the info!
Now I know Dri-slide was tested in 1966.

Are you able to order what you want from lubritek?

No i wasnt. Im really not after the lube. I mix my own oil and for firearms that require grease I use grease. What I am after is the actual oil applicator. Which would have been the container with the "thumb" pump with a long needle on it.
When I talked to dri-slide, the guy said they quit making those in the late 70s early 80s and moved to a solid metal container with a needle on it. He said the container with the thumb pump was alittle to big and "hard to store" for military when transporting in field. So they didnt last long. He also mentioned that the thumb pump applicator was never sold to the public.
It was a government only product, so it would have been sold at a government auction to get into the hands of civilians.
I have a few different bottles with different needles on them to oil pistols and such, but this particular one I thought was very neat and would be good for reaching hard places and you could control the amount of oil you apply better.
Also, I just enjoy collecting odd ball military things. Since this is something that isnt common, I would like to have one to use, and collect.

Jtbaker1989 03-29-2018 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickgman (Post 1702261)
Regardless of the claims, dry lubrication can be problematic in a weapon system - especially in a DI system. To this day, I still use LSA - and use it liberally on BCG's.

Im not to much concerned about the lubrication. I am more after the applicator.

Gewehr43 03-29-2018 11:40 AM

Ok................. Brownells sells empty applicators.
You might try places like "Uline" and other places like that...........

Did you ask the guy where they bought their applicators?

Since that is what you are after?

Jtbaker1989 04-02-2018 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gewehr43 (Post 1702354)
Ok................. Brownells sells empty applicators.
You might try places like "Uline" and other places like that...........

Did you ask the guy where they bought their applicators?

Since that is what you are after?

My friend bought his from a old military surplus store that isnt in business anymore and got it about 30 years ago.
I have a few different applicators and have tried Uline. but cant seem to find one that is like this.

Gewehr43 04-02-2018 01:29 PM

What I meant was Call your source at Dry-slide and ask him:

".......Found Dri-Slide company and phone number. Called and talked to them. The guy knew what i was talking about....................But atleast i know they made them and since i know of one out there, there has to be more........"

Good luck in your search!


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