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mac1911 05-08-2019 11:35 PM

VT "high capacity mag ban" and cmp games VT
 
LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES, 13 V.S.A. § 4021
Beginning April 11, 2018, the manufacture, possession, transfer, sale, purchase, or receipt or importation into Vermont of large capacity ammunition feeding devices is prohibited. This prohibition does not apply to large capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed on or before April 11, 2018, and the prohibition on importation into Vermont does “not include the transportation back into this State of a large capacity ammunition feeding device by the same person who transported the device out of State if the person possessed the device on or before” April 11, 2018. The prohibition on possession, transfer, sale, and purchase of large capacity ammunition feeding devices lawfully possessed by licensed dealers before April 11, 2018 does not take effect until October 1, 2018.


Can a resident from another state bring a large capacity ammunition device to Vermont?
Until July 1, 2019, a nonresident is permitted to bring a large capacity ammunition device into Vermont provided such device is lawfully possessed by the nonresident and is to be used exclusively in an established shooting competition in Vermont. After July 1, 2019, this exception is eliminated.



dont forget your ten rounders

Kilo-Sierra 05-09-2019 08:12 AM

Good info, thanks. The different state gun laws between Vermont and Georgia is what keeps me from shooting the Vermont games.

Keith

Headspace 05-11-2019 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilo-Sierra (Post 1832333)
Good info, thanks. The different state gun laws between Vermont and Georgia is what keeps me from shooting the Vermont games.

Keith

Don't let our mis guided,hard to understand gun laws in the socialist north east states stop you from coming up to participate in the NE Games. The range at Jericho is fabulous. Just pick up some 10 round mags for your magazine fed guns and have fun. You can't get into anymore trouble than the rest of us ......and we live here :rolleyes:

epm729 05-12-2019 07:05 PM

How is this going to square with the rules for say the modern military or carbine match. Will shorter than regulation mags be acceptable? Eddie

champ0608 05-13-2019 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Headspace (Post 1833315)
Don't let our mis guided,hard to understand gun laws in the socialist north east states stop you from coming up to participate in the NE Games. The range at Jericho is fabulous. Just pick up some 10 round mags for your magazine fed guns and have fun. You can't get into anymore trouble than the rest of us ......and we live here :rolleyes:

And with each passing vote, 10 round magazines will be more and more handy if you plan to shoot just about anywhere.

epm729 05-14-2019 01:45 PM

Just like NYs magazine law I doubt if the VT authorities will be checking or enforcing it.
Eddie

Mountain 05-17-2019 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by epm729 (Post 1834029)
Just like NYs magazine law I doubt if the VT authorities will be checking or enforcing it.
Eddie

OK, so they won't be setting up roadblocks and there won't be undercover agents at sanctioned shooting matches.

But...

Don't get cute with theses laws and just use 10 round mags for your service rifles, etc. If one were to be stopped for something else and the mags were discovered, that would not be good.

Ditto regarding the fabulous range at Camp Ethan Allen, VT. Competitors from out west and even England show up. It's worth the trip. Last year I camped and it was wonderful. 10 round mags are dirt cheap and easy enough to find or order.

epm729 05-17-2019 10:15 AM

Really,I'm just interested in what position the CMP will take on say the carbine match. Will short 10 rd. mags be acceptable? Will I have to put blocks in my 15 rd'ers?

Headspace 05-17-2019 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by epm729 (Post 1834865)
Really,I'm just interested in what position the CMP will take on say the carbine match. Will short 10 rd. mags be acceptable? Will I have to put blocks in my 15 rd'ers?

I used 4 10 rnd mags at camp Butner in the carbine match no official or competitor said a word to me about it.
Same with my M1A in the MM match.

Headspace 05-17-2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mountain (Post 1834801)
OK, so they won't be setting up roadblocks and there won't be undercover agents at sanctioned shooting matches.

But...

Don't get cute with theses laws and just use 10 round mags for your service rifles, etc. If one were to be stopped for something else and the mags were discovered, that would not be good.

Ditto regarding the fabulous range at Camp Ethan Allen, VT. Competitors from out west and even England show up. It's worth the trip. Last year I camped and it was wonderful. 10 round mags are dirt cheap and easy enough to find or order.

I agree 100% with Mountain all it takes is a minor driving infraction and a good cop having a bad day...….and then your having a bad day !
We may disagree with the laws in our states but, as the ones "fighting the good fight" we respect them.

epm729 05-17-2019 03:09 PM

Thank you, Mountain and Headsace. I have 10 rd mags for my carbine and M1a. NY at least made a provision to let you keep your 15 rd. GI mags.

mac1911 05-17-2019 10:44 PM

I must have missed the part in the cmp rules about magazines? Anyone care to share where it says mags have to be 15,20,30? I thought cmp games rules book capped it off at 30 rounds max?

epm729 05-18-2019 06:27 AM

Section 5.2.1 f of the rules state: Standard issue 15 round magazines or magazines of the same shape ,length and configuration will be used . 30 round magazines maynot be used

Headspace 05-18-2019 07:10 PM

"One would assume"......that the CMP in the grand scheme of things would understand that competitors from restricted states such as Ny. Ma. & Vt. etc. would be exempted from the above rule 5.2.1 with any magazine fed rifle used in competition.

epm729 05-18-2019 07:18 PM

I'd be happy if the CMP would actually say that in the rule book.

mac1911 05-25-2019 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by epm729 (Post 1835118)
Section 5.2.1 f of the rules state: Standard issue 15 round magazines or magazines of the same shape ,length and configuration will be used . 30 round magazines maynot be used

This is for M1 carbine?

mac1911 05-25-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by epm729 (Post 1835320)
I'd be happy if the CMP would actually say that in the rule book.

Also would be nice if they had some definitions or clarity ... Of current rules.

ADMIN 07-02-2019 08:47 AM

*Due to new law competitors traveling to the New England CMP Cup & CMP Games matches may not bring a 20 round magazine with them. Competitors may use 10 round magazines during the New England games to be compliant with the new laws of the state of Vermont. You may also borrow a 20 round magazine from a member of the Vermont State Rifle and Pistol Association after your arrival to Camp Ethan Allen Training Site for the New England Games. Please see a CMP Associate at check-in if you need to borrow a magazine.

Mountain 07-02-2019 10:23 AM

Thank you for the clarification.

epm729 07-02-2019 12:08 PM

Purchased some extra 10 round carbine mags just in case. Looks like I'll need them. Thank you for the update . Eddie

Kilo-Sierra 08-09-2019 06:48 AM

Sooooo.....If I were to travel from Georgia to VT as long as don't have any mags over 10rds I would be OK with my wood guns and SR?

thanks,
Keith

Mountain 08-09-2019 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilo-Sierra (Post 1857910)
Sooooo.....If I were to travel from Georgia to VT as long as don't have any mags over 10rds I would be OK with my wood guns and SR?

thanks,
Keith

NO!!! LOL, joking because of your credentials. Keep those wins in Dixie!

In all seriousness, you are OK everywhere but NY and NJ where you should be OK but face some risk with the SR. Those states have a AWB and both have been known to fail to adhere to FOPA, especially NJ.

I suggest routing to completely avoid NJ, and gas up in PA so you don't have to stop in NY. Yes, chances are slim that you would have a problem but if you did it would be very difficult and very expensive to fight in court. Also I suggest nothing on your person or vehicle signals 'guns on board'. It's a shame the situation is so, but I am from the South and have to deal with this when traveling home from MA to see family and friends.

If you have not been to the New England Games, you are in for a treat. Camp Ethan Allen makes a great setting and the matches are well run. We had a little rain last year but usually the weather is fantastic.


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