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Got N2O 04-07-2019 12:26 PM

Finally bought a USGI 1911. Opinions on "history"?
 
I've been looking for a USGI 1911 that really spoke to me and here it is. I was mostly attracted to the nice repark and serial number matching slide. I was surprised to see that it also came with an original box with penciled serial number and the packing paper that the gun was originally wrapped in. I assume the repark is not from an arsenal rebuild because I don't see any rebuild stamps? I assume this box/wax paper are legit but I don't really care, I didn't realize they were part of the package. I find it interesting that all of the S/N lookup web sites say it's a 1942 and Colt's web site says 1943

So my question is: if this thing was delivered to the US Army in 1942/43 how would it manage to stay with that box? Or would this box have been used to sell it to the public through the NRA? If that was the case, I wouldn't expect it to be a "Colt" box but a "US Army" box? I "bought the gun, not the story", just curious on if anyone has any insight or opinions on how this would have transpired. A few photos:

Original Box?

Matching frame and slide

Assembler's mark

Frame "P"

"WB" Stamp

Slide "P"

Light pitting before repark?

I didn't take any pictures of the whole pistol. Here is a group photo with it's peers. It's on the right.
Group photo

thebearpack 04-07-2019 01:20 PM

Your pistol was originally shipped either 8/15/42 or 8/29/42 to Springfield.

The box is not original but is one of the modern reproductions floating around now. No big deal, as original boxes are very rare.

You already know it's been reparked and probably not at an arsenal, so again, no surprises there. Matching slide and frame are a big plus. Don't know if it has the original barrel but that would also be a bonus. All in all, a nice early piece that looks good despite being refinished.

Got N2O 04-07-2019 01:26 PM

Another question, the repark on the slide gets darker forward of the frame. Is that normal? You can see it well in the "group photo".

thebearpack 04-07-2019 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Got N2O (Post 1822452)
Another question, the repark on the slide gets darker forward of the frame. Is that normal? You can see it well in the "group photo".

Totally normal. That's one of the areas where the slide was heat treated and it is just more noticeable now.

Got N2O 04-07-2019 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thebearpack (Post 1822456)
Totally normal. That's where the slide was heat treated and it is just more noticeable now.

Cool, thanks for the replies.

DDRode 04-07-2019 01:35 PM

According to CLAWSON (3rd Edition) Page 95...

Colonel Waldemar S. Broberg served as the ARMY INSPECTOR OF ORDNANCE (Hartford/Springfield Ordnance District) from July 1, 1941 - June 16, 1942.

COLT M1911A1 Serial #s 750500 - 861000

:D

Got N2O 04-07-2019 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DDRode (Post 1822462)
According to CLAWSON (3rd Edition) Page 95...

Colonel Waldemar S. Broberg served as the ARMY INSPECTOR OF ORDNANCE (Hartford/Springfield Ordnance District) from July 1, 1941 - June 16, 1942.

COLT M1911A1 Serial #s 750500 - 861000

SO...

I'd say that makes your pistol a '42!!!

:D

That matches everything I've seen except searching the serial # on Colt's web site. It shows
"Found 2 results for 810472
Year of Manufacture 1943 Model MODEL 1911A1 MILITARY
Year of Manufacture 1962 Model POLICE POSITIVE SPECIAL & DETECTIVE SPECIAL"

DDRode 04-07-2019 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got N2O (Post 1822463)
That matches everything I've seen except searching the serial # on Colt's web site. It shows
"Found 2 results for 810472
Year of Manufacture 1943 Model MODEL 1911A1 MILITARY
Year of Manufacture 1962 Model POLICE POSITIVE SPECIAL & DETECTIVE SPECIAL"

COLT also shows Joe Foss' 834016 as being manufactured in '43 (although it's a '42)!!!

SEE: https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...e-foss-pistol/

SEE: https://www.colt.com/serial-lookup

:D

Got N2O 04-07-2019 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thebearpack (Post 1822449)
Your pistol was originally shipped either 8/15/42 or 8/29/42 to Springfield.

Is that from a book or a website? It's pretty interesting either way. Maybe one day I'll pony up the $ for the Colt history report on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebearpack (Post 1822449)
Don't know if it has the original barrel but that would also be a bonus.

It looks like the original type of barrel. Like the one in this Picture.

Thanks all for the responses.

thebearpack 04-08-2019 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Got N2O (Post 1822630)
Is that from a book or a website? It's pretty interesting either way. Maybe one day I'll pony up the $ for the Colt history report on it.

Barrel may very well be original too. Is there a "G" on the bottom in front of the lug?

The shipping info comes from Charles Clawson's list. Chances are the Colt letter would only narrow it down to one of those two dates so might not be worth the expense, but they are cool to have.


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