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kwansao 08-02-2016 02:42 PM

European M1 Garands ruined by "gunsmith" & sold by Marstar Canada
 
Sorry about the delete.. here's a more informative version of my previous post

The Type 2 M1's were put together in germany using danish receivers, commercial barrels, sold in Canada for $1600+. There are complaints of improperly indexed barrels, welded & ground bolt lugs, etc.

Assembled by: http://www.hauck-waffenbau.net/galer...stattarbeiten/

German Import Mark:
https://www.marstar.ca/product_image...GAR-308-M1.jpg

The gunsmith brags on his own website he built 120 rifles in 26 hours, (about 13 minutes per rifle)... then in an attempt to shift blame, (in a letter which was recently posted to CGN), he claims that he in fact did not assemble them. pictures of the assembly and his workspace from his site are listed below.

Marstar's owner is now insulting CGN users and not addressing the obvious safety problems. they are reselling the rifles that have been returned for being unsafe!

Distributor advertisement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGPQxyYt-uo
https://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/produ...roductid=92832



Original thread from CGN:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...-Garand-Part-1

now at 55 pages!!

Here's an extract from one post, it's telling:
"
…these are not Tipo 2 rifles. … there are certainly Tipo 2 modified components (i.e. op rod, stocks) … civilian produced barrels… receivers are Danish contract rifles. ….

With regards to the barrel. Zero government markings (only civil CIL N laser engraved proofing) and highly questionable geometry and manufacturing quality. In this example, the barrel was under-indexed and incorrectly finished reamed on a lathe, resulting in an off –axis, and heavily scored (on one side of the chamber) chamber. … The barrel threads are cut not in line with bore axis resulting in a barrel, that when matted to the receiver, has a .050” gap along the top where it doesn’t even touch the receiver. The barrel has a definite droop that is visible to the naked eye. I suspect the barrels were finish reamed as a group to save time during assembly. I also suspect they finished them before realizing they were all over-headspaced.

The bolt was modified in order to try to compensate for the over headspace condition created by incorrect chamber finishing. By welding the rear face of each lug and grinding the front face of each, the assembler attempted to move the enire bolt forward in the action in order to bring it back into spec. this explains why some bolts have also been ground around the forward area (in order to fit inside of the chamber ring). A standard, unmodified bolt would show excessive and dangerous over-headspace, however welded and modified lugs could potentially be a grenade. On the example inspected, the RH lug was also not ground in a matting angle to the receiver. It was rounded leading to a condition whereby it would have at best, 15-20 locking surface. BTW, anything below 80% was considered to be a reject by USGI standards. The new locking face is of an unknown hardness and the steel is discoloured (extreme heat from welding) in the forward area immediately adjacent to the lugs. The extractor is similarly discoloured indicating it was left in the bolt when it was welded and ground. This annealing also weakens the bolt lugs and could, over a relatively few amount of rounds, allow the headspace to expand as the lugs are peened from recoil (that is if they don’t shear off beforehand)."



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kwansao 08-02-2016 02:55 PM

Distributor Photos:
https://www.marstar.ca/product_image...R-308-2-XL.jpg
https://www.marstar.ca/product_image...-308-2L-XL.jpg
https://www.marstar.ca/product_image...GAR-308-M1.jpg
https://www.marstar.ca/product_image...GAR-308-M2.jpg
https://www.marstar.ca/product_image...GAR-308-M3.jpg
https://www.marstar.ca/product_image...GAR-308-M5.jpg
https://www.marstar.ca/product_image...GAR-308-M4.jpg
https://www.marstar.ca/product_image...M1/GAR-ACC.jpg

Description: (misrepresentations in bold, admissions underlined)
Marstar has sourced a very limited quantity of these rifles, less than 200, so it is “first come, first served’.
Take a moment to research this model. We have Garand’s by Beretta and a few by Breda.

In the early 1970s, the Italian arsenal at Terni created the model T2, where they shortened the chamber of the original American 30-06 barrels by 12 mm ( 1/2”) to accommodate 7.62 NATO ammunition. Making this model shorter than the original M1 Garand by approximately 1/2”, its op rod and hand guards are also shorter.

These Garands are collectibles, and are NOT to be confused with inferior commercial conversions. These are the “real thing”: genuine Italian military, and they are seldom seen on the market as most were destroyed years ago. This lot was in storage for over 50 years.

All markings are correct and are intact
• Beautiful stampings on the receiver and wood
• German proof mark is intact
• Metal finish and wood stocks are in great condition
Front sight may lean slightly (indexing). Fully adjustable rear sight.

Purchase of the M-1 Garand includes: M-1 Garand rifle, one EN-Bloc (holds 8 rounds), one free Marstar hard case.

We also offer for purchase a selection of highly collectible accessories, including:

• Unopened cleanings kit date stamped 1954: $39.95, see link below.
• 3 different bayonet models with scabbards: for models and pricing, see links below.
• Grenade launcher sights in pouch: $49.95, see link below.
• Additional En-Blocs, see link below.


There is a $25 hand-select fee if you would like us to search for certain features that are important to you.

We will be offering a large assortment of Garand parts later this month, both US M-1 and Italian (T-2).


Pictures from Gunsmith's Own Website:
http://www.hauck-waffenbau.net/s/cc_...2463750281.png
http://www.hauck-waffenbau.net/s/cc_...2463750282.png
http://www.hauck-waffenbau.net/s/cc_...2463750283.png
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http://www.hauck-waffenbau.net/s/cc_...2463750287.png

FluffyTheCat 08-02-2016 10:25 PM

US Garand brethren take heed. Unfortunately these ground bolts and schmoed out barrels might wind up in the US one day. So carefully inspect your parts.

ordmm 08-03-2016 12:11 PM

Question for 'Fluffy'......Figure you have seen many PB/BMB receivers, so a question in regards to the pic posted showing the receiver/barrel inverted.....Are the fronts of the receives that 'clean' and edges sharp? Or does it look like the front of the receiver has been ground or refaced in some way?

FluffyTheCat 08-03-2016 01:35 PM

The front of a Breda or Beretta receiver is always clean and sharp. The receiver in the picture looks good at first blush. But who knows what that idiot may have done.

By way of comparison, here is Breda receiver BMR 9. She is wearing a new-old stock Springfield Armory barrel dated December 1954. ( I got the barrel from Greece)

This barrel was properly installed and finish reamed.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u...psqutsbzzh.jpg


Here are some bonus pictures of BMR 9 before she received her barrel



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kwansao 08-03-2016 03:35 PM

apparently the threads on the barrels are offset from the bore. some of the rifles were "corrected" by having only one lug welded and ground!

kwansao 08-04-2016 02:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-sKa8tqZY4

kruffe 08-05-2016 02:58 AM

"German proof mark is intact"

That proof mark is recent/new - not in any way old or correct to the rifle. Why this ugly laser engraving on the receiver is highlighted as a positive is beyond me...

ihc53 08-05-2016 05:10 AM

Oh good lord....

kwansao 08-05-2016 09:06 PM

FROM CGN user marcus1866:

picture of the day:

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus1866 (Post 12875748)
Actually I think just the rear of the right bolt face was built up with weld and the left bolt lug was just ground completly out of contact with the receiver.

I took this picture of a rifle that I am sending back. You can clearly see huge gaps on the front and rear face of the left bolt lug :mad:

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/...psx0tu7gad.jpg

:eek::(


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