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slipkid42 05-08-2019 07:35 AM

Winchester Victory 30-06 Garand Safe?
 
Is the Winchester Victory Series 30-06 ammo, safe for a Garand? I thought it was, but the latest issue of Guns & Ammo the author stated that it is not safe for use in a Garand.

Thanks!

Shomway 05-08-2019 08:20 AM

I've not read a review on usage and don't understand the appeal, other than to put it on a shelf for display. At over $1+ per round there is cheaper Garand safe ammo with good performance data.
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/prod...unds?a=2192542
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/sell...2-p-77539.aspx

packrat2 05-08-2019 11:31 AM

Yes you are right the article states that Victory load is not appropriate for use in the M1 Garand, it has heavier charge of IMR ball powder than the GI ball M2 ammo.

The Victory .45 ammo is good to go in the 1911 but the M1 Carbine ammo is a little hot but the article says its appropriate for the propellants available today..
I would buy a box of the .45 ammo just to have a box of the Victory ammo.

cranehunter 05-08-2019 06:25 PM

Winchester states that it is loaded to M2 specs.

togor 05-08-2019 07:52 PM

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...cket-flat-base

The box says "ball m2" and there's a picture of a Garand on the box so there's that.

AWOhio 05-08-2019 08:10 PM

I am not a reloader, so this is more a question than a statement.

The bullet weight is 150 grains, so that is on spec. The stated velocity is 2740, which is the spec for M2. And the packaging says that it is ball M2.

What does Guns and ammo cite as evidence that it is not Garand safe?

slipkid42 05-08-2019 08:45 PM

That is what is confusing to me as I thought it was M2 Ball for a Garand as well.

From the article:
"The Victory Series Ball M2 ammunition was loaded with 55.8 grains of a Ball powder. This is a bit perplexing to me, as GI Ball M2 ammo was normally loaded with 49 to 50 grains of an extruded improved military rifle (IMR) propellant. The period Lake City ammunition I shot for the comparison to Winchester's Victory ammunition was loaded with 46.8 grains of an extruded IMR-appearing propellant. This is very important, as the M1 Garand was not designed to run on the heavy charges of slow propellants that modern .30-'06 sporting ammo is loaded with. Modern loads run six to 10 grains higher with charge weights of much slower propellant, causing a much higher load on the M1 Garand's long operating rod and risks over-driving the action. The Victory load is not appropriate for use in an M1 Garand."

m1garand1055 05-08-2019 09:04 PM

To start with who would shoot this ammo? It's commerative ammo to Celebrate the Victory of WWII. It will eventually be collectable. Maybe not in our time but future Generations.

mnhusker 05-09-2019 07:45 AM

Gary James is usually very good with his vintage rifle articles but when I read this one on ammunition I was disappointed.

He did not go the distance and find out what powder Winchester is using for the Victory ammunition as this and not the amount is the critical issue for the "Garand safe issue".

If the powder is in the correct burn rate for the rifle (4064, H4895, etc) then all is well. If slower or faster then Gary is correct and the ammunition should be for other 30-06 applications.

Also surprised Winchester has not made this clear (or maybe they have and I just don't know it).

All the best.

N8232J 05-09-2019 09:57 AM

Inept analysis by the journalist.

Commercial loaders use non canister grade powders unavailable to hand loaders.

They load to pressure and velocity and the actual powder and lot used changes frequently.

His conclusion is simply invalid.


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