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col b 05-04-2019 11:39 AM

The South Store Drill Saga
 
Went with my neighbor to the South Store to pick up a drill for a BM59 project. Got it home and took it apart to find that someone had attempted to grind the barrel from the receiver with a disk grinder without removing the gas port or handguards. OK, not a real big deal, then noticed a burn inside the receiver and it had obviously had a weld in the oprod channel, which would have been a no go for me, as it will never park correctly. So, bottom line. Wasted $400 on a drill that had been returned very damaged to the CMP. Didn't realize that could happen and CMP would just put it in the rack without inspection. So, the serial number is SA 3565635. So, you know who you are, and now so does the CMP. Inspect you drill rifles very carefully prior to walking out the door.....don't assume that the CMP has.

Ronwall 05-04-2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by col b (Post 1830811)
Went with my neighbor to the South Store to pick up a drill for a BM59 project. Got it home and took it apart to find that someone had attempted to grind the barrel from the receiver with a disk grinder without removing the gas port or handguards. OK, not a real big deal, then noticed a burn inside the receiver and it had obviously had a weld in the oprod channel, which would have been a no go for me, as it will never park correctly. So, bottom line. Wasted $400 on a drill that had been returned very damaged to the CMP. Didn't realize that could happen and CMP would just put it in the rack without inspection. So, the serial number is SA 3565635. So, you know who you are, and now so does the CMP. Inspect you drill rifles very carefully prior to walking out the door.....don't assume that the CMP has.

CMP does not consider a drill rifle safe to fire nor is it considered a functional rifle. CMP does not condone the repair of drill rifles to functional rifles and the risk is fully assumed by the customer. That said why would they inspect a drill rifle?

LGreene2 05-04-2019 01:36 PM

So we are complaining we bought a Drill Rifle which was a "Drill Rifle"!

HC-7 05-04-2019 02:30 PM

So, you are saying you missed the weld in the op rod channel....regards....alex

RI1288 05-04-2019 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by col b (Post 1830811)
Went with my neighbor to the South Store to pick up a drill for a BM59 project. Got it home and took it apart to find that someone had attempted to grind the barrel from the receiver with a disk grinder without removing the gas port or handguards. OK, not a real big deal, then noticed a burn inside the receiver and it had obviously had a weld in the oprod channel, which would have been a no go for me, as it will never park correctly. So, bottom line. Wasted $400 on a drill that had been returned very damaged to the CMP. Didn't realize that could happen and CMP would just put it in the rack without inspection. So, the serial number is SA 3565635. So, you know who you are, and now so does the CMP. Inspect you drill rifles very carefully prior to walking out the door.....don't assume that the CMP has.

This is 100% on you. A drill rifle is never meant to be reactivated. No reason for them to inspect it. You complaining about it is a complete facepalm moment.

rob30-06 05-04-2019 03:16 PM

Not all drill rifles are created equal as you have learned
 
Brent,
It is easy to get surprised by the "drilling" methods used on these without almost complete disassembly on some.
I know because I was also surprised once when the op-rod (which had been good on previous purchased) had a cut all the way through the piston. Extra money has to be spent to bring it back, which was unexpected.
I purchased one that had a clean op-rod track and no sign of overheating on the receiver front only to find that they had taken a torch and cut through the bottom of the receiver and into the bottom of the barrel all the way out to where the barrel reduces in diameter. That was rude where I was expecting to just have the barrel tacked to the receiver. I learned I should have removed the rifle from the stock (which was a really nice GAW stockset and the real reason for the purchase).

Careful inspection can yield a receiver that has not been impacted much at all.
My last purchase I did to get a receiver for an M1D Tanker in 7.62X51 that I was building. I was lucky to find an SA receiver in 700K with original finish and a clean op-rod track. No weld in the breech as it had a rod pushed into the barrel and was welded thru a hole far away from the receiver. The weld from the barrel to the receiver was so slight that it broke free with a wrench and the weld stayed with the barrel. I have no problem using that receiver at all and have enjoyed that new toy for a couple years now.

With my previous experiences I learned that inspection is probably the biggest key to finding a worthy contributor for parts.
A hard lesson, but one that is hard to forget.

I have found that the selection of drill rifles at the new store is generally ranked in the very poor range and not at all like the drills from the old store for quality or condition.

Rob

BobJ50 05-04-2019 06:51 PM

It was bound to happen: A thread about Drill Rifles and how, when, why and where they were "Deactivated and turned into Drill Rifles." Not only that, but CMP has not inspected each and every one of them before putting into the store or selling online, and hanging a tag with the specifics. Buyer, if you seek a Drill Rifle, that is what you will get. The procedures creating that "Rifle" may be simple or complex. I suggest doing two things:
1. Read and understand the definition of "Drill Rifle."
2. Caveat Emptor. Look before you leap.
adden: CMP is not selling these with the proviso that they Can or SHOULD be reactivated.
*I have a Drill 1903 and a 1903A3. Both could probably be reactivated. I bought them
for the stocks, placed those stocks on rifles I already had. Excellent stocks, clear
cartouche and proofs on both. I am delighted with my Drill Rifles.
**I doubt if the armorer on duty will even give an opinion on whether a Drill could be
brought back to life if you asked him.

budmant 05-04-2019 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BobJ50 (Post 1830934)
It was bound to happen: A thread about Drill Rifles and how, when, why and where they were "Deactivated and turned into Drill Rifles." Not only that, but CMP has not inspected each and every one of them before putting into the store or selling online, and hanging a tag with the specifics. Buyer, if you seek a Drill Rifle, that is what you will get. The procedures creating that "Rifle" may be simple or complex. I suggest doing two things:
1. Read and understand the definition of "Drill Rifle."
2. Caveat Emptor. Look before you leap.
adden: CMP is not selling these with the proviso that they Can or SHOULD be reactivated.
*I have a Drill 1903 and a 1903A3. Both could probably be reactivated. I bought them
for the stocks, placed those stocks on rifles I already had. Excellent stocks, clear
cartouche and proofs on both. I am delighted with my Drill Rifles.
**I doubt if the armorer on duty will even give an opinion on whether a Drill could be
brought back to life if you asked him.

If he's smart he wouldn't!!

ODCMP 05-05-2019 05:51 PM

I don't think its the drill work that is bothering col b. It's the fact that there was a more recent failed attempt to remove it from drill status. I wonder who attempted that?

Dave

i1afli 05-09-2019 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ODCMP (Post 1831207)
I don't think its the drill work that is bothering col b. It's the fact that there was a more recent failed attempt to remove it from drill status. I wonder who attempted that?

And I imagine that could have been attempted before it was sent to the CMP...a bored/curious armorer at a base, maybe? Or someone at a VFW.

fartblossom1953 05-09-2019 07:23 PM

I looked at two drill rifles at the Eastern Games and they had both been worked heavily at the barrel receiver weld and the bottom of the barrel where the op-rod saddle runs. My personal opinion is that the "welder" who de-milled them got a bit happy with the welding stick and the drills couldn't be put back together and have the op-rod cycle at all for manual of arms. Then someone whittled away to get clearance and to remove slag from bottom of barrel. Even after the grinding there was PLENTY of weld left. I passed.:(

HunterTN 05-12-2019 02:52 PM

I hope people that are buying drills to reactivate them are at least etching the leg or something to let future owners know what they’re getting. I know people will say “this is my toy” but you could get hit by a bus tomorrow and your family will keep or sell stuff off with zero backstory.

Ronwall 05-12-2019 07:39 PM

When you can buy a safe to shoot field grade for 650 I don't understand why someone would even want to buy then reactivate a drill. In my opinion in the civilian world a drill is good for displays or parts. Nothing else.

Bitten 05-12-2019 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronwall (Post 1833595)
When you can buy a safe to shoot field grade for 650 I don't understand why someone would even want to buy then reactivate a drill. In my opinion in the civilian world a drill is good for displays or parts. Nothing else.

Agreed. I don't get it either.

HunterTN 05-12-2019 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronwall (Post 1833595)
When you can buy a safe to shoot field grade for 650 I don't understand why someone would even want to buy then reactivate a drill. In my opinion in the civilian world a drill is good for displays or parts. Nothing else.

Also this. Pay $650, keep the receiver and sell the parts. Could easily get $500 for run of the mill parts so you pay $150 for a guaranteed good receiver.

redneckgunman 05-13-2019 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronwall (Post 1833595)
When you can buy a safe to shoot field grade for 650 I don't understand why someone would even want to buy then reactivate a drill. In my opinion in the civilian world a drill is good for displays or parts. Nothing else.

I agree, to buy one with the sole purpose of reactivating, no, it is not worth the money or time spent. However I did buy one once that had two very valuable parts. A great GAW stock and an unmodified WIN-13 Op-Rod. After I stripped all the parts off the rifle, I had a receiver with a tiny weld with no heat discoloration at the barrel and an un-welded op rod track. This became a project to reactivate just because I could and the part was sitting there. In this particular scenario, the juice was worth the squeeze.

bigwagon 05-13-2019 06:29 AM

Why wouldn't you do a thorough inspection in the store before purchasing a drill rifle?

rob30-06 05-13-2019 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by redneckgunman (Post 1833668)
I agree, to buy one with the sole purpose of reactivating, no, it is not worth the money or time spent. However I did buy one once that had two very valuable parts. A great GAW stock and an unmodified WIN-13 Op-Rod. After I stripped all the parts off the rifle, I had a receiver with a tiny weld with no heat discoloration at the barrel and an un-welded op rod track. This became a project to reactivate just because I could and the part was sitting there. In this particular scenario, the juice was worth the squeeze.

+1 to the above.
Back when the CMP was selling Mk2Mod1 barreled receivers it was possible to purchase Drill rifles as a source of many good parts.
The only way it was really worth it though, is if the Drill Rifle had nice wood, and some did. I got a GAW stockset on one that I still have it was so nice.
One of the Drill rifles I purchased I mentioned earlier in this thread had such minor welding at the barrel/receiver junction, and no sign of heat on the receiver ring and no weld in the op-rod channel that I have no problem using the original finish receiver on a project for my use.
Below is a 7.62X51 M1D Tanker that I could just not resist putting together. Some day I might break it back down but for now I take it deer hunting on occasion.
https://i.imgur.com/uL2kcmt.jpg?1

chollybob 05-20-2019 04:00 AM

Their drill rifles are way overpriced. You can get a nice rack grade for around... what? 580?

Yeoman007 05-20-2019 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chollybob (Post 1835662)
Their drill rifles are way overpriced. You can get a nice rack grade for around... what? 580?

Drill rifles and Rack grades of which models: M1 Garands, 1903 Springfields, or what?

Last I saw earlier this year, M1 Garand Drill rifles were going for $380 without tax. I haven't seen an M1 Rack Grade in the last five years. M1D Garands go for $955 right now, but there are no M1D Drill rifles to compare them to. I've seen 1903A3 Springfield Drill rifles go for more than the M1 drill rifles, but that's comparing apple to oranges; same with 1903 Springfields. I have no idea what a 1903A3 Rack Grade would sell for since I've never seen them offered.

Drill rifles may be "way overpriced" to you and me, but they still sell out pretty quickly. Can't really compare today's prices to what these models cost five or more years ago. The market has changed and I don't have a time machine. :)

>sigh< Ahh! for the good old days! :cry:

Rick

chollybob 05-20-2019 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeoman007 (Post 1835766)
Drill rifles and Rack grades of which models: M1 Garands, 1903 Springfields, or what?

Last I saw earlier this year, M1 Garand Drill rifles were going for $380 without tax. I haven't seen an M1 Rack Grade in the last five years. M1D Garands go for $955 right now, but there are no M1D Drill rifles to compare them to. I've seen 1903A3 Springfield Drill rifles go for more than the M1 drill rifles, but that's comparing apple to oranges; same with 1903 Springfields. I have no idea what a 1903A3 Rack Grade would sell for since I've never seen them offered.

Drill rifles may be "way overpriced" to you and me, but they still sell out pretty quickly. Can't really compare today's prices to what these models cost five or more years ago. The market has changed and I don't have a time machine. :)

>sigh< Ahh! for the good old days! :cry:

Rick

I bought a rack grade about 6 or 8 months ago. 1903 drill rifles went up from $150, but not by much. Can't remember the exact price. I've looked at the Garand drill rifles. Unless it's got some good parts, which they usually don't, the value isn't there.

MTC29 05-20-2019 05:40 PM

This sounds like buying a car with a salvaged title and upon taking it in to have the frame straightened, discover that someone already attempted it to straighten the frame and botched it.


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