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tyler9274 01-06-2018 06:31 PM

8mm mauser ammo question
 
I recently picked up a 42 JP sauer kar98. its in great shape other than needing the duffle cut permanently fixed. Seems 8mm ammo isnt as common as it used to be. I have no issues running corrosive ammo in a bolt gun. I clean my guns religiously anyways. A guy near me has 500 rounds of steel case 8mm for 20 cents a round. Does anyone have any experience using steel cased ammo in their mauser? any good? Ive always avoided steel cased ammo but that price has me thinking......

Tyler

JimF 01-06-2018 06:46 PM

As long as the lacquer coating is intact . . . and the cases are NOT rusty . . . Youíre good to go.

Iíve shot steel cased, German-made, WW2-era 8mm in my Mausers without incident.

Calif-Steve 01-06-2018 07:23 PM

I have seen some German WWII 8mm and it was old. Not sure if it would run or not. The Yugo steel case stuff seems very good. What are you looking at?

T38Carbine 01-06-2018 07:23 PM

I purchased some of the modern steel cased Romanian stuff years ago. It functions just fine but I always clean as if corrosive. I’ve heard reports that it was, and other say it is not. I treat it like it is corrosive!!

Ammolab 01-06-2018 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JimF (Post 1670959)
As long as the lacquer coating is intact . . . and the cases are NOT rusty . . . Youíre good to go.

Iíve shot steel cased, German-made, WW2-era 8mm in my Mausers without incident.

You have to check for rust ON THE INSIDE of the case. A pretty looking WW2 German Steel case round DISINTERGTATED in my Hakim chamber...KaBoom!!!

Str8liner 01-06-2018 08:17 PM

What ever you do make SURE is isn't that 170 grain Green Boxed Romanian ammo that is not made to proper specifications. I had some give to me awhile back and it will not chamber in any of my Mausers.

karls42 01-06-2018 08:20 PM

as this ammo ages the deteriorating powder will attack the lacquer coating inside the case and start rust. see if you can get a few rounds to pull down and inspect before you buy a large amount.
even some of the wartime brass ammo is starting to rot from the inside, the with the notorious "blue ooze " appearing on the case

dou44 01-07-2018 07:46 PM

I have shot a lot of it over the years without a problem.you should still beable to find the Romanian at guns shows.most of what I see id around $200-$225 a tin.

Polaris 01-07-2018 08:57 PM

If it is the Romanian surplus Circa 1970's, you are good to go. This is quality ammunition. Have fired thousands of rounds of this with zero issues. It is NOT match ammo though, but reasonably accurate. Easy to ID with distinctive red sealant at the bullet and primer. Packaged in green spam can, "fara lame" is printed on it as well as 7.92mm and other Romanian stuff I can't remember. Packed in 15 round un-labeled tagboard, sometimes with stripper clips. It is a steel cored projectile that will rebound with force from hard targets, so use caution. If I remember correctly, nominal weight was 154 grains resulting in modest recoil compared to 196 grain sS german ammo. It does have a certain stench when you shoot it, kind of a cross between cat pee and scorched brake pads. https://www.bing.com/images/search?v...x=5&ajaxhist=0 This is a picture of the "good" Romanian

If it is not the Romanian surplus, I would avoid it. Some of the German and occupied WWII 8mm in steel cases was loaded under questionable conditions, and some has deteriorated. As above, the commercial export Romanian is garbage. Also avoid the '50s brass cased Yugoslavian, it tends not to go off in most rifles on the first strike. The 70's Yugo is very good ammo, identified by bright orange primer sealant. Also very good is the Turkish brass cased, with a cu/n jacketed bullet. All 3 good kinds are readily found around gunshows and sometimes online, but the prices have gone up a lot from the glory days of 10 cent bangs.

edlmann 01-08-2018 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Polaris (Post 1671395)
https://static1-bulkammocom.netdna-s...57/8/m/8mm.jpg
This is a picture of the "good" Romanian

fixed yer pic

DaveHH 01-08-2018 01:30 PM

There were originally two types of 8X57. The early WW1 for the Commission rifles was a .318 bullet. The 98K used the S or spitzer bullet which is .823 diameter. I believe that they just shot what they had and let the bigger bullet be swagged down by firing.
The steel cased ammunition was a emergency response to a problem. I would be very reluctant to shoot 75 year old emergency ammo. While the lacquered outside may be fine the inside may be corroded badly. Also the propellant could be anything. The wartime 196gr round was VERY powerful, repeat VERY. Hatcher's Notebook has the German codes that will explain what cased ammunition is. I would get that info first.

540 M-Sport 01-27-2018 04:14 PM

I have not seen it in a while, but there was also some very nice quality East German steel cased, steel core bullet 8mm. It shot very while in my 98s.

Parkr1942 01-28-2018 11:12 AM

Some 15 yrs ago I had hundreds of beautiful steel case 8x57 that was in pristine boxes. Made in 39 thru 42 I think.
Pulled some of the bullets and as mentioned in earlier post, there was a lot of fine loose rust and the powder was stinky. Repeat a lot of rust. Since rust is very abrasive, even if the case was strong, it would not be good to fire them down the bore. I sold them clearly marked "for display only contains rust" for 10 cents a round.

Familyfarm 02-02-2018 03:25 PM

Thanks for the warning on the green-box commercial Romanian 170gr. I had just stumbled by this stuff attractively priced at $7.95 per box. Seemed a bit too good to be true. Is this the potentially non-chambering type?

Here it is: http://www.southernohiogun.com/ammun...roduction.html

Parkr1942 02-02-2018 03:39 PM

The ad says new production from 2013 170 gr 8x57 JS ( the later Spitzer 323 bullet). Should be no rust issues with 5 yr old ammo if stored reasonably. How it shoots is a different matter.

Str8liner 02-02-2018 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Familyfarm (Post 1680814)
Thanks for the warning on the green-box commercial Romanian 170gr. I had just stumbled by this stuff attractively priced at $7.95 per box. Seemed a bit too good to be true. Is this the potentially non-chambering type?

Here it is: http://www.southernohiogun.com/ammun...roduction.html

That is it. Avoid like the plague.

Familyfarm 02-02-2018 04:43 PM

Thanks, str8liner. I am new to the 8mm and am fixing up an old K98 so this is my first foray into this caliber. I missed the days of cheap 15 cent surplus and now it seems like decent surplus corrosive rounds are 45-60 cents each. I think I will just buy some new PPU 8mm for 75 cents a round at Target and reload the brass.

Str8liner 02-02-2018 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Familyfarm (Post 1680843)
Thanks, str8liner. I am new to the 8mm and am fixing up an old K98 so this is my first foray into this caliber. I missed the days of cheap 15 cent surplus and now it seems like decent surplus corrosive rounds are 45-60 cents each. I think I will just buy some new PPU 8mm for 75 cents a round at TargetUSA and reload the brass.

Pretty much have to do that, or use 30-06 brass to make 8mm. That is what I do with all my excess HXP 30-06 cases.

Brick 02-03-2018 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Str8liner (Post 1680984)
Pretty much have to do that, or use 30-06 brass to make 8mm. That is what I do with all my excess HXP 30-06 cases.

Yes, I use an RCBS 15965 to form 8mm cases from 30-06. After forming you just saw off the excess brass at the mouth (while it is still in the die) then trim it and you are good to go.

USCS03 02-10-2018 07:03 PM

Tyler,
I still run into the 1950’s yugo ammo here in CT. It is always brass cased, berdan primed and corrosive. The corrosive salts dissolve in water. The Germans used ballistol before and during the war for weapons cleaning as well as water. Enjoy the JPS.


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