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milprileb 09-11-2017 04:07 PM

When M1's were shot at 1000 yds..what bullet wt?
 
I am assuming they used the 173 gr bullet for 1000 yds and today a 175 grain would be okay? Did they use a Shuster gas plug or the issue one ? I ask this because I am now planning on taking a Garand beyond 600 yds and push to 800 and then 1000 yds . Unfortunately, there is no one (alive) around here that has done it and shows up at our club range days.

Thanks in advance.

Det. Jason 714 09-11-2017 04:23 PM

I seem to remember reading it was the 173's, I do not remember anything about adjustable plugs though. I know a guy who shot comp in the chair force, I'll see if he remembers.

echo6mike 09-11-2017 04:39 PM

Don't know about the details, but I'm betting they used the standard gas plugs. Based on my Dad talking about qualifying at 1000 yards in basic training (Army, 1952) - I can't even imagine they'd be teaching recruits on anything other than bog-standard rifles with whatever issue ammo was in stock at the time.

For competition, I have no idea, but am curious to find out as I'd love to try some 100-yard shooting eventually with my own Garand.

s/f

milprileb 09-11-2017 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by echo6mike (Post 1638261)
Don't know about the details, but I'm betting they used the standard gas plugs. Based on my Dad talking about qualifying at 1000 yards in basic training (Army, 1952) - I can't even imagine they'd be teaching recruits on anything other than bog-standard rifles with whatever issue ammo was in stock at the time.

For competition, I have no idea, but am curious to find out as I'd love to try some 100-yard shooting eventually with my own Garand.s/f

Well, if you live in MD... Quantico is just a short trip and I plan to do this 1000 yd shooting so stay in touch, we shoot on weekends . The ideal day is when we do a Sunday 800 / 1000 yard day. This would require you have your 600 yd dope but heck, we can swag it and get you on paper at 800 the finalize the sight settings..then press to 1000 and do the same. Just let me know if interested, I'll sponsor you to shoot with our club and as RSO, I am allowed a guest.

JoeW2111 09-11-2017 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milprileb (Post 1638251)
I am assuming they used the 173 gr bullet for 1000 yds and today a 175 grain would be okay? Did they use a Shuster gas plug or the issue one ? I ask this because I am now planning on taking a Garand beyond 600 yds and push to 800 and then 1000 yds . Unfortunately, there is no one (alive) around here that has done it and shows up at our club range days.

Thanks in advance.

Prior to 1958 rifles used in National Match competition had to be "service rifle as issued". No specially manufactured parts. Things like Shuster gas screw was not available and would not have been allowed if available. For the 1957 shooting season and the 1957 National Matches the T-291 cartridge was being used and made by both Lake City and Frankford Arsenals. The ammunition used in the 1957 National Matches was all Frankford Arsenal manufacture, Lot FA-11. It was loaded with a boat-tailed bullet weighing about 173 grains, in front of 47.8 grains of IMR 4895, and a Remington # 72 Primer. Muzzle velocity runs about 2700 fps, and pressure about 44,000 lbs psi. The ranges fired in NM compitition with this ammo were 200, 300, 600 and 1000 yds

The above information is quoted from bulletin by "Headquarters, 1957 National Matches, Ordnance Office, dated 7 Aug. 1957. "Details on the .30 Match Ammunition".

karls42 09-11-2017 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeW2111 (Post 1638274)
Prior to 1958 rifles used in National Match competition had to be "service rifle as issued". No specially manufactured parts. Things like Shuster gas screw was not available and would not have been allowed if available. For the 1957 shooting season and the 1957 National Matches the T-291 cartridge was being used and made by both Lake City and Frankford Arsenals. The ammunition used in the 1957 National Matches was all Frankford Arsenal manufacture, Lot FA-11. It was loaded with a boat-tailed bullet weighing about 173 grains, in front of 47.8 grains of IMR 4895, and a Remington # 72 Primer. Muzzle velocity runs about 2700 fps, and pressure about 44,000 lbs psi. The ranges fired in NM compitition with this ammo were 200, 300, 600 and 1000 yds

The above information is quoted from bulletin by "Headquarters, 1957 National Matches, Ordnance Office, dated 7 Aug. 1957. "Details on the .30 Match Ammunition".

Exactly my experience when I shot on U.S.M.C. teams in the 1960's, except the rifles had the allowable NM parts and tuning

lite-box 09-11-2017 07:46 PM

M72 173 gr, Later if you handloaded Sierra 180 SMK's.

Blimp60 09-11-2017 08:20 PM

I have only shot 1000 yards one time. I used 168 gr Nosler CC BTHP over 46.5 gr of Varget and CCI 34 primers in HXP brass. Bullets were still supersonic and stable when they hit the target. I was using a Garandgear plug, but I don't think that I needed it.

JoeW2111 09-11-2017 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by karls42 (Post 1638305)
Exactly my experience when I shot on U.S.M.C. teams in the 1960's, except the rifles had the allowable NM parts and tuning

Yes, between 1960 & 1963 a number of modifications were allowed.

Semper Fi

M1 sniper 09-12-2017 12:14 AM

What size are the targets at 1000 yards and what's the typical accuracy? Are you just lobbing them out there for volly type fire or are there groups?


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