Thread: 22 EIC Matches
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Old 08-29-2016, 02:24 PM
JayhawkNavy02 JayhawkNavy02 is offline
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Originally Posted by bpm32 View Post
The only reason you don't see too many HM/MA types shooting Rugers or Buckmarks is because they don't want to look like they're showboating, or they're trying to justify $2500 pistols that they bought for NRA Bullseye (their "real jobs"), but just stuffed into the back of the safe. That's why you see a bunch of oddball pistols roll out for CMP .22 (Sako Tri-Ace anyone?). Like Distinguished Revolver, CMP .22 is considered a "fun match" by a lot of Bullseye shooters.
As far as HM, I've never heard of that as a motivation. Many are just using their regular 22 without an optic. Joe Chang, Rich Kang, John Hollingshead, Jon Eullete, etc.

Originally Posted by bpm32 View Post
.22 pistols are in an odd category because they're all pretty much equally accurate. Clamped in a vise, a $300 Ruger or Buckmark will typically shoot about as well as a $2500-3000 Feinwerkbau, Pardini, or Hammerli.
Can most/all factory 22s hold the 10 ring, sure. The Nelson/FWK/Pardini's I've seen tested had groups significantly smaller than the Rugers frequently, but my Nelson is right up there. My Ruger Mk III has never been close. Are they good enough to get points, again, sure. Most American barrel blanks are just not of the same quality. Are they good enough, again, sure.

Follow the red arrows (taken from a Master Gunsmith(Guild)/Bullseye Builder)

Bottom right: S&W 41 shows a small dimple from a stamped letter on the bottom. Heavy land to groove ratio and the tight bore less apparent.

Bottom left: High Standard barrel shows excellent well defined chamber, but the barrel ocking lug drill almost entered the chamber. Nice gentle lead angle.

Center right: S&W Model 41 which shows distinct variations in bore dimension (shadows)

Upper left: Another S&W Model 41 with a poorly cut chamber face, and an abrupt 5 degree lead angle . The radius extractor relief is very easy to see, and visualize/imagine the extractor problems these cuts can cause.

Top center: Ruger. No distinct chamber at all, just a hole. Rugers are testimony to the inherent accuracy of the 22 cartridge.

Top right: Lothar Walther, blurred but an example of the precise rifling and low land to groove ratio is apparent

Originally Posted by bpm32 View Post
What you do get for 8-10x the cost is an adjustable orthopedic grip (which will often be ill-fitting if you eat too much salty food or the outside temperature changes), an adjustable trigger, and really nice sights (the rear sight knotch width on an AW93 is adjustable). With the Pardini and Feinwerkbau you also get a bunch of weights on springs up front to minimize the punishing .22 recoil (critical in Olympic Rapid Fire, but unnecessary for CMP .22--there is plenty of time).
Orthopedic grips should be fit and shouldn't be so tight that some snacks result in a poor fit.

Also, what hasn't been discussed is reliability. Pardini and Feinwerkbau are usually excellent. M41s often get a trip to the Doctor enough that some great gunsmiths making a living fixing M41s, see the link below. Again, I think they're the best American 22 made, they work great with CCI SV, which is cheap and they're a solid pistol that feels similar to a 1911. Even with a $250 package to get them squared away and another $300 for a blank you're well under a European target pistol with absolutely the same accuracy, but without the adjustment, which many don't care about anyway. Not sure you'll be able to recover those investments however.

A downside to the high end European pistols is the expensive ammunition they prefer. The Ruger, Buckmark, M41 will often shoot very well with CCI SV. The Pardini/FWK/Hammerli seem to mandate the Eley/Lapua for reliability/accuracy. Significant cost to any/new shooter.

Personally I have a Nelson conversion, McMillan barrel, and use a dedicated lower. I can pull the rail off and use open sights, which I have attached to a dedicated barrel so I don't have a change in zero.
Lots of great options out there and many under $400 to $500. I very much like the Bukckmarks as a great starter pistol, especially with the spring flip.

Last edited by JayhawkNavy02; 08-29-2016 at 02:31 PM.
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