When M1's were shot at 1000 yds..what bullet wt?

[milprileb]

Originally Posted by M1 sniper

What size are the targets at 1000 yards and what's the typical accuracy? Are you just lobbing them out there for volly type fire or are there groups?

I sure won't be doing volley fire but I will report my accuracy once I shoot 1000 yds here at Quantico. Perhaps others who used to shoot M1's at this distance can comment on their accuracy (group size). Score rings are large so for me, a score doesn't tell me accuracy of rifle & load but of course scores win matches so its all opinion .

[milprileb]

Gents,

Thanks for the back ground info , its exactly what I needed to begin with taking my M1 to 800 and press to 1000 yds. Thanks so much.

[M1 sniper]

Originally Posted by milprileb

Gents,

Thanks for the back ground info , its exactly what I needed to begin with taking my M1 to 800 and press to 1000 yds. Thanks so much.

Thanks, good luck can't wait to see how you do.

[Ted Brown]

I'm one of the old guys who actually shot 1000 Yards with an AFPG M1 on the El Paso Del Norte range back in the early 60's. I'll attest that the M1 shot very well at 1000 Yards and I still have the medal to prove it. We shot M72 ammo, LC63. I still have a couple of rounds.

[milprileb]

Originally Posted by Ted Brown

I'm one of the old guys who actually shot 1000 Yards with an AFPG M1 on the El Paso Del Norte range back in the early 60's. I'll attest that the M1 shot very well at 1000 Yards and I still have the medal to prove it. We shot M72 ammo, LC63. I still have a couple of rounds.

I've had this desire to do the Garand at a Grand for 10 yrs now, I am now going to kick this can and get it done. Its good to read you had success at 1000 yds and I appreciate your posting that .

[echo6mike]

So, I did some searching and found almost this same discussion from a few years back (http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=57812), that answered a couple of questions but raised some more.

It sounds like Hornady, for one, makes an M1-safe 168gr match ammo that could be used at least for club events (haven't dug into the CMP match regs). Is there a consensus on that as a good round to use? Looks like it runs about $1.25-$1.30/rd these days, which isn't bad.

How about targets? I assume those are specified in the rule I just haven't read yet, but for me I also want to find something I can use on a 100-yard range (all I normally have available) for simulating 200/300/600 yards. Any suggestions for that?

And yes, I'll go search the old threads some more, but since this is a fresh discussion...

Thanks in advance and all that!

[sakorick]

I don't want to rain on anybody's parade but with a 10 MPH Xwind, the bullet drifts slightly over 10 feet in 1000 yards. I don't think there are enough clicks in a M1 Garand rear sight to move the POI 10 feet at that range. So essentially we are talking about luck here. The bullet also drops about 415 inches which is 34 feet. I rest my case.

[stripper clip]

Originally Posted by echo6mike

So, I did some searching and found almost this same discussion from a few years back (http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=57812), that answered a couple of questions but raised some more.

It sounds like Hornady, for one, makes an M1-safe 168gr match ammo that could be used at least for club events (haven't dug into the CMP match regs). Is there a consensus on that as a good round to use? Looks like it runs about $1.25-$1.30/rd these days, which isn't bad.

How about targets? I assume those are specified in the rule I just haven't read yet, but for me I also want to find something I can use on a 100-yard range (all I normally have available) for simulating 200/300/600 yards. Any suggestions for that?

And yes, I'll go search the old threads some more, but since this is a fresh discussion...

Thanks in advance and all that!

From what I've read, the 168 grain bullet generally won't stay supersonic at 1000 yards due to the B.C. of the bullet. Therefore, the 173 grain, 175 grain Sierra, or the 178 grain Hornady; the ballistic coefficients are better. The old 1000 yard bullseye targets I have are 6'x6' with a 48" bull. The M-1 should be fun at that distance. I've never shot the Garand out to 1000, but rather one of my 1918 Rock Island M1903's.

[canes7]

Originally Posted by sakorick

I don't want to rain on anybody's parade but with a 10 MPH Xwind, the bullet drifts slightly over 10 feet in 1000 yards. I don't think there are enough clicks in a M1 Garand rear sight to move the POI 10 feet at that range. So essentially we are talking about luck here. The bullet also drops about 415 inches which is 34 feet. I rest my case.

I dont want to rain on your parade but the M1, collectively, has probably put 100's of thousands of rounds into targets at 1k yards. A few posts up you'll read first hand accounts of it.

I've not fired a Garand at 1k, but I have with an M14. It was fun and challenging. You should try it.

[Ted Brown]

When I was shooting the Garand at 1000 yards the target was a 5V which was somewhat more forgiving than the 10X target. However the Garand had no trouble keeping on target.

I switched to the M14 in 1976 and found it was more than able to hold the 10 and X ring at 1000 when I did my part. I don't know where the figure of 10 feet in a ten MPH wind came from. According to my wind charts it only takes 10 clicks of a half minute sight to center a shot in a 10 MPH wind. I did have the experience of shooting in high winds at 29 Palms during a 1000 yard match. I shot with 24 clicks of left windage and aimed at the target to the left of mine. That equates to about 240 minutes! Bullet drop is not a factor. That's why we have adjustable sights. I always filed down my front sight so the rifle would shoot with four to five clicks of elevation at 200 yards. The helped prevent neck strain from having sights adjusted too high at long range. I almost always shot 180 grain bullets at 1000 yards in the M14. I learned about 168's the hard way. Funny thing is that I still shot 178 with the bullets tumbling through the target. I thought it wasn't all that bad... We didn't have the 175 SMK back then.