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Old 08-16-2019, 09:10 AM
DDRode DDRode is offline
 
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Default WWII (Post-WWII) Depot Builds...

Just my take (IMHO) on why all of those M1911 builds are showin' up from the ARMY MUSEUM SYSTEM crates...

There were 1,264 M1911s (w/o documented DLA supply condition codes) transferred to CMP 1911 from the ARMY MUSEUM SYSTEM in JANUARY, 2018.

SEE: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...AND_RR2568.pdf

SEE: https://www.americanrifleman.org/art...-inside-story/

Out of those 1,264 M1911s, there are very few in original configuration (with replacement grips)!!!

Most are late WWII (or POST-WWII) DEPOT builds...

CUZ...

A RECEIVER is a RECEIVER is a RECEIVER...be it a M1911 or a M1911A1 (only difference being the clearance cuts)!!!

The last M1911A1 RECEIVERS were produced in 1945...and there were still many unmodified surplus/salvaged M1911 RECEIVERS sittin' in warehouses at SPRINGFIELD ARSENAL (et al) ready to be built into weapons using available parts!!!

SO they put 'em to good use...

AND...

If the weapon was still serviceable when it underwent depot level maintenance in the '70s or '80s...it was refurbished as needed & remained in service!!

That's why all of these late WWII (or post-WWII) depot builds (consisting of an WWI receiver, WWII (or post-WWII) slide, and a mix of M1911 & M1911A1 parts) are showing up in the ARMY MUSEUM SYSTEM boxes!!!

They remained on "active duty" (be it in the arms room of an active or reserve unit...or in a box in a crate buried in a warehouse) until the '80s (or in the case of some reserve & guard units...the early-mid '90s) when they were "retired" to the museum system (based solely on the serial number of the M1911 RECEIVER)!!!

SEE: https://ia802703.us.archive.org/22/i...005-211-35.pdf

SEE: http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/MIL..._june_1964.pdf



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Old 08-16-2019, 01:16 PM
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Thanks for that information!
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Old 08-16-2019, 01:31 PM
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Thanks Dion. Great information.
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Old 08-16-2019, 01:57 PM
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I essentially agree with your reasoning, but keeping in mind, that the average unit armorer did not care, a 1911a1 was a 1911a1 whether it started as a 1911 or not, and museum is essentially the same thing, most museums just want a representative piece. Only a very good, precise museum curator would know the difference.

BTW, The last time I saw 1911a1's was at the 54th Area Support Group in the Netherlands in 1993-94 time-frame (MP Station), when we received the new M9's and switched over.

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Old 08-16-2019, 04:20 PM
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I essentially agree with your reasoning, but keeping in mind, that the average unit armorer did not care, a 1911a1 was a 1911a1 whether it started as a 1911 or not, and museum is essentially the same thing, most museums just want a representative piece. Only a very good, precise museum curator would know the difference.

BTW, The last time I saw 1911a1's was at the 54th Area Support Group in the Netherlands in 1993-94 time-frame (MP Station), when we received the new M9's and switched over.

Ed
Ain't too concerned about what happened at the unit level...

Just offerin' an educated guess at what transpired at the ARSENAL & DEPOT level to explain the abundance of combo M1911/M1911A1 builds that are popping up...cuz they're all excruciatingly similar!!!

AND...

I'll bet my bottom dollar that an order came out from DOD/DLA/TACOM (or some such agency or command) to turn all weapons with WWI serial numbers into the ARMY MUSEUM SYSTEM in the late '80s (or thereabouts)!!!

And then someone somewhere decided they were no longer needed & ordered the ARMY MUSEUM SYSTEM to turn 'em over to CMP 1911 in January, 2018!!!

PARTING SHOT:

We still had a few dozen M1911A1s in the 34th DIVARTY (MNARNG) arms room in the late 90s (and I'm bettin' that they constitute part of the 75, 755 CONDITION CODE F weapons still retained by DLA/TACOM)!!!

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