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Old 01-13-2020, 10:06 PM
jakhamr81 jakhamr81 is offline
 
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Default Only 6 Pics for a $1.75 Million Price?

Ran across an auction that alleges to be for the first and second Winchester M70s. Does anyone else think it to be a bit fishy that someone is only offering six crappy pics with a $1,750,000?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/844286252
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Old 01-13-2020, 10:11 PM
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If you are bidding that kind of money, I think that you will go look at the rifles in person rather than relying on someone else’s photos.
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Old 01-13-2020, 10:15 PM
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Isn't the serial number suppose to be on the other side?
Not on 70s. I'm trying to find some discrepancies but it's tough with the lack of pics. #2s bluing looks too good to be 83 years old to me. I've seen rifles that have had their serial numbers ground of and re-engraved so now I'm suspicious of just about everything. I'd like to meet someone that would bid that kind of money blind like this.

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Old 01-14-2020, 05:22 PM
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Hard to think Winchester actually ship out serial # 1 to a gunshop. I would think it should have gone into a factory cabinet.
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Old 01-14-2020, 07:24 PM
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Anyone seriously interested in this would contact the seller and either get additional photos or setup a visit, or both. And use an escrow, and research......
Just because an auction has 6 photos does not mean all or nothing.

Not my interest, but fascinating story and rifles.

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Old 01-14-2020, 08:24 PM
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Early low SN production guns are usually allocated or designated as subscription guns. Subscription guns typically go to high-level collectors, writers or people influential to the company or firearms industry. Ruger had a subscription program where subscribers would receive a low serial number example of every newly released firearm.

Additionally, SN 1 of any new product typically ends up in the company vault or museum, not in a remote country store.
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Old 01-14-2020, 08:51 PM
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there's hi-res pics in the auction description. Did nobody scroll down?
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Old 01-15-2020, 07:37 AM
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Early low SN production guns are usually allocated or designated as subscription guns. Subscription guns typically go to high-level collectors, writers or people influential to the company or firearms industry. Ruger had a subscription program where subscribers would receive a low serial number example of every newly released firearm.

Additionally, SN 1 of any new product typically ends up in the company vault or museum, not in a remote country store.
Are you doubting this is the real serial number 1? I'm not vouching for the specific details of the seller's story, but Serial No. 1 Winchester Model 70 was documented to have been in private hands since new. Years ago I remember reading the referenced article in American Rifleman about it.
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Old 01-15-2020, 09:12 AM
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I wonder what happened to M16 and M14 serial # 000001 both were in the old infantry museum at Fort Benning. The big new museum there does not have those two rifles!!!!!!!

Where did they go?

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Old 01-15-2020, 09:12 AM
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A 10x Fecker scope on a hunting rifle??
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