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Old 08-17-2012, 01:36 AM
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Of course, he has empirical evidence that Varget is too harsh, right? My M1 was flinging brass all over the place with 4895. First out in front of the bench, then way off to the right at 3 o'clock, then in my face, and so on. As soon as I switched to Varget, they all started landing in a nice neat pile at 4 o'clock about 4 feet away. Accuracy was tighter by half, and I wasn't getting any fliers that I didn't call myself. Superb stuff.
4 o'clock is actually an odd place for a Garand to eject brass. Definately out of the ordinary. 90% eject brass at 1 o'clock and at 3 o'clock for the last round and single loaded rounds. I've never had or seen a Garand eject at 4 o'clock in a consistant manner and only a few on those last rounds and single loaded ones. Shooters next to you must hate you big time.

Please let me know how you got your rifle to do that. Throwing brass at the shooter next door can sometimes distract the other shooter and every point lost by him is a point gained by me. I need all the help I can get.

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Old 08-17-2012, 07:28 AM
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4064, H4895, Varget/Reloader15. Everything I shoot is mostly 200 and under.
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Old 08-17-2012, 08:47 AM
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I believe that IMR 4064 is better than IMR 4895, and this is why:

A 1.75-inch group using IMR 4064 in my Springfield service grade Garand


Hand load used for this target:
HXP 70 & HXP 71 brass (once-fired)
CCI #34 primer
Nosler Custom Competition 155 grain bullet
47.5 grains of IMR 4064
COAL = 3.312"

Chronograph Data:
Avg = 2,623
Low = 2,553
High = 2,700
ES = 147.5
SD = 41.42

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Old 08-17-2012, 08:57 AM
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That ES is a bit disturbing. I used 45.9grs of 4064 with the Nosler 155gr for the 3-600 CMP sniper match. Results were good but I'm wondering if the 600 suffered from velocity variation now. May have to dust off the chronograph. There's always next year. Good Shooting.....
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:11 AM
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I've tried 4064, 4895, R-15 and Varget. I still have not settled on one. For me, I've found that 4064 give the best performace but since it's shaped like Lincoln Logs (and nearly as big) it won't meter well thru my Dillon very well. Varget and R-15 just didn't get it for me. So now I'm returning to experimenting with 4895.

I was told early on in my short reloading career that for heavier bullets use 4064, for lighter bullets use 4895.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:18 AM
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I won't offer any advice on which powder, but I would offer that you should try all of the 'Big Three' 4895, 4064, and Varget. See which one works the best for YOU and your gun. I've been loading for twenty plus years, and it took me five to ten of that to to learn not just load what I wanted and then act surprised that it didn't do what I wanted, but to actually take the time to work up several loads and let the evidence tell me what really works the best. The reloading should be as much fun as the shooting, otherwise you will look at it as a chore. The thrill is in the hunt, be it game, or that perfect load. Just my thoughts...
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:01 PM
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I haven't had much luck with IMR 4064. Loads developed in the summer with IMR 4895 don't work well in winter, and visa versa. I've found H 4895 to be better year around and season to season. My best loads have been with VV N-150. Now I think I'll grab some Varget and give that a try.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:33 PM
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That ES is a bit disturbing.
I was also concerned about the large ES... until I took a close look at the group on my target. That load has continued to be very accurate for me on more than one occasion. It's performance that counts, right?
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:57 PM
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Right, but I am concerned mainly about the 600yd performance--where velocity variations do show up in vertical dispersion. Testing at 600yds, while not unavailable, is logistically difficult. Good Shooting.......
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:36 PM
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Right, but I am concerned mainly about the 600yd performance--where velocity variations do show up in vertical dispersion. Testing at 600yds, while not unavailable, is logistically difficult. Good Shooting.......
What steps could I take to tweek my load further to reduce extreme spread?
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