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Old 05-21-2013, 08:55 PM
Master Chief Master Chief is offline
 
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Has anyone seen the E-pay trigger group on sale stating The safety has been field modified to engage without loading the rifle (The tip has been removed). In other words, you can flip the safety on anytime.
This is the third time I have seen her use this on 3 different safeties. I called CMP and they doubt if it came from them as they are test fired and the safety is checked at the same time.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:02 PM
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That is a very common thing found on garand triggers. The trigger groups that Dupage are like that. Field modification or not you see it often.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:02 PM
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The seller might say the safety was 'field modified' but the US Army would say it was broken.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:44 PM
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It was probably broken off to do exactly what the seller says it was done for. A lot of Garands that came back from other countries had the "modification" done to enable the safety to be engaged when the rifle wasn't cocked.

The seller is probably trying to sell what was taken off a bunch of Dupage trigger groups that they bought and replaced the safety on. If they can make a buyer believe it's some sort of an advantage they make money on it. It's all about money and that's it. They probably sell the "repaired" Dupage trigger groups with repro safeties on them for double what they bought them for. All part of the $$ game.

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Old 05-23-2013, 09:16 AM
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The seller might say the safety was 'field modified' but the US Army would say it was broken.
Exactly. And don't let anyone try to tell you that the safety still functions in this condition. It does not, at least not as designed. An "unmodified" safety performs two separate functions. It blocks the trigger pull, and it blocks the hammer from falling. The tip portion is what blocks the hammer. When it is missing the safety can still be operated and still blocks the trigger, giving the illusion that everything still works. But a loaded rifle with such a safety can still discharge if dropped or struck sharpley enough to disengage the hammer.

This subject has been discussed in detail in the past, but not recently. There are a lot of these broken safeties around and the concensus is (or at least used to be) that they were modified by foreign military users, or possibly in some cases domestic users whose rifles were used for ceremonial purposes. In either case it was likely done by those who did not completely understand the design, operation, or complete function of the part.

The "mod" does make the safety easier and quieter to operate, and allows the safety lever to be moved when the hammer is down. It might possibly have a place with ceremonial rifles using blanks, but never with live ammunition.

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Old 05-24-2013, 09:59 AM
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Exactly. And don't let anyone try to tell you that the safety still functions in this condition. It does not, at least not as designed. An "unmodified" safety performs two separate functions. It blocks the trigger pull, and it blocks the hammer from falling. The tip portion is what blocks the hammer. When it is missing the safety can still be operated and still blocks the trigger, giving the illusion that everything still works. But a loaded rifle with such a safety can still discharge if dropped or struck sharpley enough to disengage the hammer.

This subject has been discussed in detail in the past, but not recently. There are a lot of these broken safeties around and the concensus is (or at least used to be) that they were modified by foreign military users, or possibly in some cases domestic users whose rifles were used for ceremonial purposes. In either case it was likely done by those who did not completely understand the design, operation, or complete function of the part.

The "mod" does make the safety easier and quieter to operate, and allows the safety lever to be moved when the hammer is down. It might possibly have a place with ceremonial rifles using blanks, but never with live ammunition.
"Modified by domestic users"...
aka: Some people did a Bubba job at the kitchen table to defeat an integral safety feature of the rifle. I am a firm believer in "leaving it as it was designed"... especially when lives could potentially be at risk (though all firearms should be carried and handled as if loaded anyway).
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Old 06-02-2013, 04:52 PM
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..And you guys are completely WRONG. If you look at your unmodified safeties, the tip does pull the hammers double sear engagements off the trigger when engaged. However, a modified or "broken" safety still blocks the top of the trigger from moving far enough forward to let the hammer fall when engaged. Drop it all you want with the safety on, it can't fire unless something breaks.
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Old 06-02-2013, 06:15 PM
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Having looked at hundreds, if not thousands, of loose parts over the years, I can tell you this is not "common". CMP sold none like this, DCM issued none like this, but parts sets I bought and have seen from dupage ALL had safeties broken in this manner.
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Old 06-02-2013, 10:10 PM
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..And you guys are completely WRONG. If you look at your unmodified safeties, the tip does pull the hammers double sear engagements off the trigger when engaged. However, a modified or "broken" safety still blocks the top of the trigger from moving far enough forward to let the hammer fall when engaged. Drop it all you want with the safety on, it can't fire unless something breaks.
When you pass into the next world, get a hold of John Garand and tell him that he over engineered his rifle.
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Old 06-05-2013, 04:54 PM
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..And you guys are completely WRONG. If you look at your unmodified safeties, the tip does pull the hammers double sear engagements off the trigger when engaged. However, a modified or "broken" safety still blocks the top of the trigger from moving far enough forward to let the hammer fall when engaged. Drop it all you want with the safety on, it can't fire unless something breaks.
Without the hammer block the rifle is unsafe and can be made to fire by dropping or other sudden jolt. The Garand is harder to knock loose but it can happen and that is why the hammer block is there.
People have been killed and wounded by safeties that only block the trigger including a 14 year old boy about two years ago.
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