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Old 07-01-2017, 02:03 PM
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Question MRT 6-52 leather sling....Real?

Picked up a nice looking leather sling with the MRT stamp marking.
https://s19.postimg.org/rgiiasdkz/DSC01253.jpg
https://s19.postimg.org/5t7c5khc3/DSC01259.jpg
Looks like steel frogs and rivets.
https://s19.postimg.org/uomzntzur/DSC01254.jpg
https://s19.postimg.org/cn3uq15tv/DSC01255.jpg
Leather is 3/16" thick. Same thickness as my Ron Browns.
https://s19.postimg.org/u1o2yb2yr/DSC01256.jpg
Not sure if this is hand sewn or machine stitched.
https://s19.postimg.org/k5mzynx6r/DSC01257.jpg
The frog ends are longer and tapered....pointed.
https://s19.postimg.org/scezq8n9f/DSC01258.jpg

Color is a nice golden brown and does not appear to be newer production, and lacks any makers mark. Not sure how to measure slings but the main (larger) section is 50" and appears to be a M1 sling.
Have searched the web and can not find a site to I.D. post war leather slings.
Any opinion if this is real or a fake? Is it even USGI?
Thanks!
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:36 PM
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Sling is hand made using original hardware, hand stitched. Thickness should be 7-9 ounce leather (7/64-9/64"). MRT and date would be aligned and not staggered, with no border (shadow) around the letters. Neither strap has border creases and the flesh side of the straps are not edged. For an issue/ contract sling after WWII, the holes should be oval/oblong and not round.

Another indicator is the stitching pattern on the short strap. When manufacturing military leather straps, including slings, specifications state to never stitch across the strap as this creates a perforation and weakens the strap. With use, the sling/strap will tear at that point, just like tearing a sheet of paper from a perforated note pad.

The sewn section of the short strap should be skived (tapered in thickness) from the fold at the loop ("D" ring) to the end of the sewn tab. Rivets are too large in diameter. The hole diameter specified for the sling hooks (frogs) is .109 diameter, using a 13 gauge rivet, made from brass, copper, or steel according to era. The hooks appear to be from a WWII sling (change over from brass to steel in 1943), by judging the design of the prongs, narrow taper, there were many prong profiles/shapes during WWI and WWII. Rock Island Arsenal settled on a more blunt tip for the hooks on 20 NOV 1950, with drawing number #7137567, titled HOOK, GUNSLING.

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Old 07-02-2017, 03:27 PM
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Thank you Richard!
I had my doubts that it wasn't right based on the MRT stamping being staggered as you mentioned. I read a posting from your friend Gus Fisher about the the holes being oval rather than round....
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The shape of the holes in the sling for the sling hooks. Most folks have NO IDEA how important this is. ROUND holes are CRAP and are NOT an accurate copy of the M1907 sling. The sling hooks quickly wear out round holes and become loose in the holes. There is no good and economical way to repair this. The M1907 sling was known for having oblong holes where the sides of the holes were flat and the ends rounded. THAT is the way to do it properly so the sling holes last the longest.
The other details of stitching and skived leather was interesting and made me grab your slings and compare them to this sling and see exactly what you are talking about. Thanks for the education!
Would never use it as a match sling but will put it to use. Since I paid less than $30 for it I don't feel I got burned too badly.
I truly appreciate your input!
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Old 07-02-2017, 03:59 PM
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No problem, anytime. Here is a link to a post I made several years ago that has some photos of the Rock Island drawings of the various sling parts including the hook. Drawings start at post #16, page 2 and 3.

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=143280

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Old 09-18-2017, 02:07 PM
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Hi Richard,
You guys make an awesome sling! When ever someone asks me for a sling recommendation, I always tell them to get a Turner. I also recommend the all weather sling. The keepers stay nice and tight and I never had a problem with the sling sliding down my arm. It stays where it needs to be. Keep up the good work!!!

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