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Old 07-29-2017, 12:44 PM
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Question Canadians used SLR's and won years ago in Nato matches ?

First the back ground and then my question.

Background:
I was talking to a buddy who , like many of us , owns a M1A. I mentioned that the FN FAL and British L1A1 seemed to have ho hum barrels and the sights were basic L type combat sights. My view (owning a L1A1) is its ergonomics are great as is reliability but they were 600 yd minute of man, not capable of the performance of our M14 rifles which had better barrels and far better iron sights.

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He told me in his days with US Army in Europe, the Canadians used the SLR / L1A1 and won many matches with them.

Now..my question: Did the Canadians manage to prep their L1A1 rifles to shoot better and if so, what did they do? Does anyone remember Canadians or Brits with the L1A1 / SLR cleaning up Nato matches in Europe in the 50s / to 70s with these rifles ? ...beating us with M14's?

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Old 07-29-2017, 01:50 PM
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Very well could have. Seems to me that we were pretty busy fighting a couple of wars in that time frame.
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Old 07-29-2017, 01:55 PM
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1. I don't know about the results of the NATO matches or whatever.

2. You can improve the performance of the C1's just like the M14. Now if they did for these matches.......... no idea.

3. The Canadian rifles were called and marked as the "C1" rifle. There was a follow up C1A1. So in your searches............ you might get better results using "C1" and not the British L1A1 name.

4. When was your friend in Europe though? Was he certain it was C1 vs M14 and not the M1 Garand? Or going the other way, could the US been shooting M16's by then? Because from the 50's thru to the 70's............ didn't we use all three in Europe?

Google is your friend:
Found this:

https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=497496
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Old 07-29-2017, 02:31 PM
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I wonder at what range the competition occurred? If it was 300m, the FAL might have done much better than it would have if the range increased to 500m or 600m.
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Old 07-29-2017, 03:59 PM
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The rifle used at the time by the US was the M14, just to clarify to Gewehr 43.
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Old 07-29-2017, 04:25 PM
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The rifle used at the time by the US was the M14, just to clarify to Gewehr 43.
Sir:
I'm just trying to help you out..............
So you're interested in the late 50's to like early 60's........... ?

I have some friends that are/were in the CF........... I'll check with them......................
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Old 07-29-2017, 05:25 PM
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Default C1 Rear Sight

The rear sight on the Canadian C1s is different than on L1A1s. It used a rotating aperture with different sizes. Here's one that was for sale some time ago: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...sight-15741258

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Old 07-29-2017, 06:51 PM
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The FNFALs have a front sight on the barrel, a rear sight on the receiver and a hinge in the middle. Not an expert on them (I have two), but it does seem to be a problem.... Good Shooting. ...
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:08 PM
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So you're interested in the late 50's to like early 60's........... ?
Martin, Actually, the M14 remained the standard service rifle in Europe until 1970. Rick
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Old 07-30-2017, 12:22 AM
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Martin, Actually, the M14 remained the standard service rifle in Europe until 1970. Rick
Alright Thanks!
I was trying to narrow the timeframe in talking to some friends about this..................
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