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Old 10-11-2018, 11:00 AM
36ID_Redleg 36ID_Redleg is offline
 
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I chronographed the following out of a 1903-A3:

WIN 30-06 150 gr. Power Point at 2747 fps
Greek HXP M2 Ball was 2632 fps
Remington 150 gr. Core-Lokt PSP was 2810 fps

Seems like the Winchester is as close to M2 Ball specification of 2740 fps as you can get.
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:20 PM
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150 grain Remington Core Lokt bullets and 47 grains of 4895 for hand load. I heard Hornady makes a commercial hunting load but its pretty pricey and I have never seen it. If you can get somebody to load these up for you you will have the same or real close to the same point of impact as you get with 147 grain ball ammo.
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:46 PM
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I chronographed the following out of a 1903-A3:

WIN 30-06 150 gr. Power Point at 2747 fps
Greek HXP M2 Ball was 2632 fps
Remington 150 gr. Core-Lokt PSP was 2810 fps

Seems like the Winchester is as close to M2 Ball specification of 2740 fps as you can get.
The Rem is actually closer....the Win is a little slow... remember...military velocity is 78ft from the muzzle....most civilian is what..10-12ft?
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:55 AM
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Quite a lot of data to review but really good info. I did notice that peak PSI isn't always dependent on bullet weight which was considered rule of thumb (heavy= more time before exit) but some of the charts show that's not always the case.

Whats missing here is not knowing power burn rates which also affects pressures.

I don't hunt with my rifles but if I did I would stick with ammo that falls in line with or below the pressure peaks of HPX or LC used in the tests
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:06 AM
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Burn rate is the deal maker/breaker for the Garand. I've loaded for thousand yard shots that went screaming out of the barrel (well, 2800 fps with 175's). Use of the right powder is important. When I was first getting into it, I wrote the Dope Bag ( in Am Rifleman) for advise and the guys there told me to keep below 195 grain bullets for the garand. The trick is to optimize that pressure curve.
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Old 10-12-2018, 12:41 PM
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I handload for my garands.

Bullet weight
150gr, loaded to M2 ball specs
165gr, loaded to M1 ball specs

Powder
Varget, N135, IMR4895

Primer
Winchester LR, slam fire
Tula LR NATO, no slam fire

The key is pressure at the gas port. Slow powder with heavy projectile, bad combination.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:15 PM
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Dumb question maybe, what is wrong with using the HXP M2 ball for deer at the close ranges most folks hunt deer?
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Old 10-12-2018, 04:08 PM
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Dumb question maybe, what is wrong with using the HXP M2 ball for deer at the close ranges most folks hunt deer?
Non expanding FMJ isn't legal for hunting in some states, or a good idea in any.
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Old 10-12-2018, 04:27 PM
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Clearly one needs to hunt within the law, where legal why is it a bad idea?

I assume hunting ammo is better than M2 Ball but by how much and why?

Iím not arguing, just asking.

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Non expanding FMJ isn't legal for hunting in some states, or a good idea in any.
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Old 10-12-2018, 06:07 PM
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One of the contributors mentioned using Tula Primers. I thought Tula primers are not imported anymore?especially berdan ones.
Haven't seen any at gun shows and the "dealers" of ammo say they have not been able to get them for 5 years.
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