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Old 02-23-2019, 04:48 PM
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That gave me an anxiety attack and I don't know why ..............................
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:09 PM
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https://www.congress.gov/115/plaws/p...-115publ91.pdf

For CMP1911 Section 1091 see PDF Pages 325 to 328.

"...SEC. 1091. TRANSFER OF SURPLUS FIREARMS TO CORPORATION FOR
THE PROMOTION OF RIFLE PRACTICE AND FIREARMS
SAFETY.
(a) TRANSFER REQUIREMENT.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—During fiscal years 2018 and 2019, the
Secretary of the Army shall transfer surplus caliber .45 M1911/
M1911A1 pistols described in paragraph (2) to the Corporation
for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety in
accordance with this section.
(2) PISTOLS DESCRIBED.—The pistols described in this paragraph are surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and spare
parts and related accessories for those pistols that, on the
date of the enactment of this section, are under the control
of the Secretary and are surplus to the requirements of the
Department of the Army.
(3) NUMBER TO BE TRANSFERRED.—
(A) TOTAL NUMBER.—For any fiscal year, a total of
not more than 10,000 surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1
pistols may be transferred to the Corporation under this
section and section 40728 of title 36, United States Code.
(B) FISCAL YEAR 2018.—For fiscal year 2018, not less
than 8,000 surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols shall
be transferred to the Corporation pursuant to this section.
(4) TERMS OF TRANSFERS.—Subsections (b), (c), (d), (e), and
(g) of section 40728 of title 36, United States Code, shall apply
to a transfer under this section in the same manner such
131 STAT. 1608 PUBLIC LAW 115–91—DEC. 12, 2017
subsections apply to transfers of firearms under such section
40728.
(5) OTHER REQUIREMENTS.—Except as provided in subsection (b)(1), subchapter II of chapter 407 of title 36, United
States Code, shall apply with respect to firearms transferred
under this section.
(b) SUSPENSION OF DISCRETIONARY TRANSFER AUTHORITY.— (1) IN GENERAL.—During the period described in paragraph
(2), the Secretary of the Army may only transfer surplus caliber
.45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols to the Corporation under the
authority of this section and may not transfer such pistols
to such Corporation under section 40728 of title 36, United
States Code.
(2) PERIOD DESCRIBED.—The period described in this paragraph is the period beginning on the date of the enactment
of this Act and ending on the earlier of the following dates:
(A) The date that is 60 days after the date of the
enactment of the National Defense Authorization Act for
Fiscal Year 2020.
(B) June 1, 2020.
(c) CONFORMING REPEAL OF PILOT PROGRAM FOR TRANSFER
OF PISTOLS.—Section 1087 of the National Defense Authorization
Act for Fiscal Year 2016 (Public Law 114–92; 129 Stat. 1012)
is amended by striking subsections (b) and (c).
(d) REPORTS ON TRANSFERS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—For each fiscal year during which the
Secretary transfers surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols
under subsection (a), the Secretary shall submit to Congress
a report detailing the transfer and sale of such pistols during
such fiscal year. A report under this paragraph for a fiscal
year shall be submitted not later than 5 days after the budget
of the President for the subsequent fiscal year is submitted
to Congress under section 1105 of title 31, United States Code.
(2) CONTENTS OF REPORT.—Each report submitted under
paragraph (1) shall include, for the fiscal year covered by the
report—
(A) the number of surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1
pistols transferred to the Corporation under subsection (a);
(B) the number of such pistols sold by the Corporation;
and
(C) to the extent feasible based on the information
available to the Secretary, information on any crimes committed using any such pistols transferred to or sold by
the Corporation.
(e) EVALUATION OF CORPORATION.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 30 days after the date
of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Army shall
enter into an agreement with a Federally funded research
and development center with relevant expertise to conduct an
evaluation of the Corporation for the Promotion for Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety for the purpose of assessing future
transfers of excess firearms to the Corporation.
(2) ELEMENTS.—The evaluation required under paragraph
(1) shall include the following elements:
(A) An assessment of the effectiveness of the Civilian
Marksmanship Program, including an examination of the
functions and activities of the Program, as described in
PUBLIC LAW 115–91—DEC. 12, 2017 131 STAT. 1609
section 40722 of title 36, United States Code, that support
the mission of the Program.
(B) A comparison the Civilian Marksmanship Program
to similar organizations that offer instruction in marksmanship, firearm practice and safety, and opportunities for
marksmanship competitions.
(C) An evaluation of benefits the Army receives from
the Civilian Marksmanship Program relative to the
resources the Army provides to the Program.
(D) An assessment of present and prospective funding
models to support a transition to self-sustainment,
including opportunities for non-Federal resources.
(E) An assessment of the costs and profits associated
with the transfer of excess firearms from the Army to
the Civilian Marksmanship Program (including the costs
associated with the storage, inspection, and, refurbishment
of such firearms), which shall be determined with respect
to surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A pistols using data
from a minimum of 8,000 sales transactions.
(F) Any other matters the Secretary determines appropriate.
(3) REPORT TO CONGRESS.—The Secretary shall submit to
the congressional defense committees a report on the results
of the evaluation by not later than January 1, 2019, and shall
provide interim briefings upon request.
(f) COMPTROLLER GENERAL REVIEWS.—
(1) CONCURRENT REVIEW OF CORPORTION.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—At the same time as the Federally
funded research and development center conducts the
evaluation under subsection (d), the Comptroller General
shall conduct a review of the Corporation for the Promotion
for Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety.
(B) ELEMENTS.—The review required under paragraph
(1) shall include the following elements:
(i) A review of whether the procedures relating
to sales of surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A pistols
covered by the evaluation were conducted in accordance
with applicable Federal laws.
(ii) A review of the business operations of the
Civilian Marksmanship Program in comparison to the
business operations of other Federally chartered
organizations.
(iii) An evaluation of any authorities or agreements
governing the relationship between the Army and the
Program.
(iv) An assessment of the financial operations of
the Civilian Marksmanship Program, including how
the Program’s endowment is funded by the proceeds
from sales of excess weapons transferred to the Program from the Army.
(v) An assessment of the costs and profits associated with the transfer of excess firearms from the
Army to the Civilian Marksmanship Program, which
shall be determined with respect to surplus caliber
.45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols using data from a minimum of 8,000 sales transactions.
131 STAT. 1610 PUBLIC LAW 115–91—DEC. 12, 2017
(vi) Any other matters the Comptroller General
determines are relevant.
(C) REPORT TO CONGRESS.—The Comptroller General
shall submit to the congressional defense committees a
report on the review required by subparagraph (A) by
not later than January 1, 2019.
(2) REVIEW OF FFRDC REPORT.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—The Comptroller General shall conduct a review of the report submitted under subsection
(d)(3).
(B) BRIEFING.—Not later than 60 days after the Secretary of the Army submits the report required under subsection (d)(3), the Comptroller General shall provide to
the congressional defense committees a briefing on the
preliminary results of the review required by paragraph
(1).
(C) REPORT.—Not later than 120 days after the Secretary submits such report, the Comptroller General shall
submit to the congressional defense committees a report
containing the findings and recommendations of the Comptroller General pursuant to the review required by paragraph (1). ...."

Well, the way I read this document is that 10,000 pistols must be transferred in FY 2019.

YMMV.
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:58 PM
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Well, the way I read this document is that 10,000 pistols must be transferred in FY 2019.

YMMV.
The way it's written, somewhere between 0 and 10,000 shall be transferred. Only says, "For any fiscal year, a total of not more than 10,000..."
So 0 would fulfill that and 10,000 would as well. Any number inbetween would too.

Only 2018 has "not less than" limit.
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Old 02-23-2019, 09:02 PM
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The way it's written, somewhere between 0 and 10,000 shall be transferred. Only says, "For any fiscal year, a total of not more than 10,000..."
So 0 would fulfill that and 10,000 would as well. Any number inbetween would too.

Only 2018 has "not less than" limit.
Well, to be technical, in Section 1 it says that in Fiscal Year 2019 that pistols shall be transferred. So they have to send at least two over.
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Old 02-23-2019, 09:05 PM
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Well, to be technical, in Section 1 it says that in Fiscal Year 2019 that pistols shall be transferred. So they have to send at least two over.
I could go along with that too
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Old 02-23-2019, 09:17 PM
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Why don't you guys just buy a 70 series Colt and end all of your gnashing of teeth.

You could save $200 and have it in a week. Factory service, hard slide, better sights and free shipping.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...2b1+45acp+5%22

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Old 02-23-2019, 09:36 PM
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Why don't you guys just buy a 70 series Colt and end all of your gnashing of teeth.

You could save $200 and have it in a week. Factory service, hard slide, better sights and free shipping.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...2b1+45acp+5%22
Already got one. Got a series 80. Got a para-ord p14-45.

I'm not sure why you care what the motivation of other people is but it really doesn't matter.
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Old 02-23-2019, 11:17 PM
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Already got one. Got a series 80. Got a para-ord p14-45.

I'm not sure why you care what the motivation of other people is but it really doesn't matter.
The bill states that 8000 pistols were to be transfered FY 2018. That lot was for evaluation of the transfer and costs. There is nothing there that speaks to delivery in FY 2019 which starts in Sept. 2019 other than not more than 10,000. As was pointed out that number could be zero as that is not more than 10K.

In other words a new bill has to be passed in congress this year for anymore pistols to be transferred. FY 2018 and the 8000 pistols was a trial.

So.... I wouldn't be hanging on a thread for another 8 months to see if anymore are coming. Even the CMP doesn't know.

In the event that more do come and I happen to get one I'm selling it to a vet who wants it at my cost. That should have been a priority of the CMP from the beginning.

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Old 02-23-2019, 11:46 PM
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We are currently enjoying federal fiscal year 2019 which began on October 1, 2018 and ends on September 30, 2019.
https://www.senate.gov/reference/glo...iscal_year.htm
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:03 AM
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We are currently enjoying federal fiscal year 2019 which began on October 1, 2018 and ends on September 30, 2019.
https://www.senate.gov/reference/glo...iscal_year.htm
Yes, and I believe the CMP received the 8000 pistols in FY 2018. I'm not sure about that but wasn't the cut-off for apps Sept 31?
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