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Old 09-13-2017, 04:33 PM
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So, I did some searching and found almost this same discussion from a few years back (http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=57812), that answered a couple of questions but raised some more.

It sounds like Hornady, for one, makes an M1-safe 168gr match ammo that could be used at least for club events (haven't dug into the CMP match regs). Is there a consensus on that as a good round to use? Looks like it runs about $1.25-$1.30/rd these days, which isn't bad.

How about targets? I assume those are specified in the rule I just haven't read yet, but for me I also want to find something I can use on a 100-yard range (all I normally have available) for simulating 200/300/600 yards. Any suggestions for that?

And yes, I'll go search the old threads some more, but since this is a fresh discussion...

Thanks in advance and all that!
The scale reduced targets you are looking for are the "MR" series.........

Like this:

http://www.nationaltarget.com/produc..._by=sort_order

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Ah, yes. That makes sense on the bullet weights for distance. 168gr should be good for 200/300, maybe 600? yards. I'll find some heavier rounds for 1000 yards.

It looks like for a short range like mine, the SR-1 target is the one to use for simulating the 200 yard range. If I can get good dope for that, should I be okay to start for the longer ranges?

Also, if I'm sighting in at 100 yards with the smaller target, I'm thinking I should keep the elevation set down for 100, then when I get to an actual 200 yard line click it up to 200? Since the target will be sized for 200 yards, but the bullet trajectory will still be ending at 100 yards.

How do other folks with short ranges for practice handle this?

s/f
Yes.... 168's are great! But are running out of steam at a 1000yds. (about 7-900yds instead)

The targets:
The reduced targets are not for zeroing at the "other" distance. There are just scaled down so the sight picture is close and with the reduced scoring rings, it approximates a score. (So yes to use your words....the bullet trajectory is still at 100yds).

Shoot at 200 to get a 200 zero, 300 for 300 zero etc............
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:29 PM
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I don't want to rain on anybody's parade but with a 10 MPH Xwind, the bullet drifts slightly over 10 feet in 1000 yards. I don't think there are enough clicks in a M1 Garand rear sight to move the POI 10 feet at that range. So essentially we are talking about luck here. The bullet also drops about 415 inches which is 34 feet. I rest my case.
10 MPH wind from 3 or 9 O'clock would be around 10 half Min clicks NM wind knob or 5 full min clicks windage . 10 MPH is pretty mild wind in the HP world even at 1000.

I shot a few 1000 yd matches back in the day with a AFPG 30 cal M1 and like everyone else never ran out of windage even on windy days.

Been a long time but if I remember right my clicks up with M72 was about 42-45 range. I might of had a shortened NM front sight too but can't remember 100% . Shorted fr sight was a common mod for 1000 yd shooting if you ran out of up clicks and it was a way to avoid looking through a oval aperture with the rear sight waaay up . .

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Old 09-15-2017, 12:14 PM
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The scale reduced targets you are looking for are the "MR" series.........

Like this:

http://www.nationaltarget.com/produc..._by=sort_order

SR1 for offhand and sitting (simulates 200yrd)
SR21 to simulate 300 for rapid prone
MR31 for slow prone, (simulates 600)
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:38 PM
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The scale reduced targets you are looking for are the "MR" series.........

Like this:

http://www.nationaltarget.com/produc..._by=sort_order
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SR1 for offhand and sitting (simulates 200yrd)
SR21 to simulate 300 for rapid prone
MR31 for slow prone, (simulates 600)
Perfect - thank you, gents!

Now all I need is a good spiral-bound data book, I'll go poke around and see what I can find.

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Old 09-15-2017, 01:41 PM
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Creedmoor Sports will have what you need.
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Old 09-15-2017, 03:21 PM
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Old 09-16-2017, 06:47 AM
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Default 1000 yds.

Gentlemen,

This thread is most informative and I have learned a lot about my garands today.
An attaboy to all who have posted this type information helps those of us who love the garand really learn what it is capable of and gives a chance to help us expand our knowledge.

Would suggest to the moderator to make this post a sticky as it is an excellent reference, a bit of solid experience knowledge.

Again a thanks to all who posted.



Just picked up my 7th garand this week locally, An HRA LEAD rebuild, hard to say no to a beautiful rifle when you find one.

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Old 09-18-2017, 02:55 AM
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Been more than 25 years since I shot across the course with the M1. But as I recall, the comeup from a 200 zero was about 42 clicks with M118 brown box. That's 7.62 with 173's. 168's go sub-sonic & tumble. 173's fly true. No 175's back then.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:55 AM
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that would certainly get you on paper, likely close to center. The OP will need a good windage zero at 200 and then 300.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:54 PM
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Default M1 at 1000 yds.

I shot an m1 at all ranges at Perry In '76 and '77. I also had a NM M14 but preferred the M1 because of the longer sight radius and the ability to get "lower" with the M1. Since I was shooting on the RIA rifle team we had the advantage of having the instructors at the NM armorers course to take care of our rifles. My rifle would shout .34 in. groups in the 200 yard tunnel at the Rodman Lab facility. We were limited to using issue ammo by the current regs. for active duty army. We were able to test over 40 different lots to find the best for our rifles both M1 and M14. My best score at 1,000 yards was 182 9X from my old notes. Not too bad for an expert class shooter in those days. Nothing compared to the match rifle shooters. There was an old cartoon showing the Camp Perry wind flag - a concrete block attached to the pole with logging chain. One match we had to aim at the target to our right because there was not enough windage adjustment on the NM rear sight.
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