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Old 09-14-2017, 05:29 PM
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I don't want to rain on anybody's parade but with a 10 MPH Xwind, the bullet drifts slightly over 10 feet in 1000 yards. I don't think there are enough clicks in a M1 Garand rear sight to move the POI 10 feet at that range. So essentially we are talking about luck here. The bullet also drops about 415 inches which is 34 feet. I rest my case.
10 MPH wind from 3 or 9 O'clock would be around 10 half Min clicks NM wind knob or 5 full min clicks windage . 10 MPH is pretty mild wind in the HP world even at 1000.

I shot a few 1000 yd matches back in the day with a AFPG 30 cal M1 and like everyone else never ran out of windage even on windy days.

Been a long time but if I remember right my clicks up with M72 was about 42-45 range. I might of had a shortened NM front sight too but can't remember 100% . Shorted fr sight was a common mod for 1000 yd shooting if you ran out of up clicks and it was a way to avoid looking through a oval aperture with the rear sight waaay up . .

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Old 09-15-2017, 12:14 PM
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The scale reduced targets you are looking for are the "MR" series.........

Like this:

http://www.nationaltarget.com/produc..._by=sort_order

SR1 for offhand and sitting (simulates 200yrd)
SR21 to simulate 300 for rapid prone
MR31 for slow prone, (simulates 600)
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:38 PM
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The scale reduced targets you are looking for are the "MR" series.........

Like this:

http://www.nationaltarget.com/produc..._by=sort_order
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SR1 for offhand and sitting (simulates 200yrd)
SR21 to simulate 300 for rapid prone
MR31 for slow prone, (simulates 600)
Perfect - thank you, gents!

Now all I need is a good spiral-bound data book, I'll go poke around and see what I can find.

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Old 09-15-2017, 01:41 PM
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Creedmoor Sports will have what you need.
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Old 09-15-2017, 03:21 PM
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Old 09-16-2017, 06:47 AM
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Default 1000 yds.

Gentlemen,

This thread is most informative and I have learned a lot about my garands today.
An attaboy to all who have posted this type information helps those of us who love the garand really learn what it is capable of and gives a chance to help us expand our knowledge.

Would suggest to the moderator to make this post a sticky as it is an excellent reference, a bit of solid experience knowledge.

Again a thanks to all who posted.



Just picked up my 7th garand this week locally, An HRA LEAD rebuild, hard to say no to a beautiful rifle when you find one.

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Old 09-18-2017, 02:55 AM
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Been more than 25 years since I shot across the course with the M1. But as I recall, the comeup from a 200 zero was about 42 clicks with M118 brown box. That's 7.62 with 173's. 168's go sub-sonic & tumble. 173's fly true. No 175's back then.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:55 AM
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that would certainly get you on paper, likely close to center. The OP will need a good windage zero at 200 and then 300.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:54 PM
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Default M1 at 1000 yds.

I shot an m1 at all ranges at Perry In '76 and '77. I also had a NM M14 but preferred the M1 because of the longer sight radius and the ability to get "lower" with the M1. Since I was shooting on the RIA rifle team we had the advantage of having the instructors at the NM armorers course to take care of our rifles. My rifle would shout .34 in. groups in the 200 yard tunnel at the Rodman Lab facility. We were limited to using issue ammo by the current regs. for active duty army. We were able to test over 40 different lots to find the best for our rifles both M1 and M14. My best score at 1,000 yards was 182 9X from my old notes. Not too bad for an expert class shooter in those days. Nothing compared to the match rifle shooters. There was an old cartoon showing the Camp Perry wind flag - a concrete block attached to the pole with logging chain. One match we had to aim at the target to our right because there was not enough windage adjustment on the NM rear sight.
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:56 PM
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I am probably one of the more senior posters on this site as my user name would indicate. I went through basic training at Fort Bragg in early 1947 and along with all our other gear I was issued an M1, as was every other recruit. To say it was a thrill for this farm boy of 18 is a real understatement. We were "married" to that M1, when not on our shoulder it was kept under lock and key on a ring rack in the center of our barracks floor. Of course we all anticipated going to the range and firing our M1s for the first time. At that time our drill and other instructors were mostly WWII vets and knew what the M1 was all about. A recruit did not screw up on the firing range. Minor infractions resulted in numerous push-ups. Now as to the 1000 yard firing. My memory fades but I don't think our targets were more than 500 yards. I could be wrong about that and perhaps there may be an old timer on this site that could verify what distances were used. Perhaps it was 1000 yards because on occasion a red flag was seen above the target which indicated the shooter had missed the entire target. The red flag was affectionately called "Maggie's drawers"! I am proud to say i earned a expert marksmanship badge firing the M1, but those of us who received that award were accused of having a buddy pulling targets using an "M1 pencil" to falsely mark the targets. I have one CMP certified M1, SA serial number indicating an Oct 1944 date of manufacture. It's a wall hanger now for the most part but I have promised some young men I know a chance to fire it. Enjoy this site even though I don't post much.
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