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Old 11-21-2009, 06:41 PM
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....pistol powder? I plan on starting to reload for my carbine and picked up 1# of Win296. I was looking for H110 or W296 and W296 was the first I found. When I got home I read the label and saw "Magnum Pistol Poweder". I rechecked my Hornady book and there it was Win296. What gives?
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Old 11-21-2009, 07:09 PM
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I have only used W296 in 357,44mag & 45colt.
IIRC,296 should NOT be downloaded,I loaded them in COMPRESSED loads in those calibers.
IF the books give a load for it in 30 carbine I would go with it. Seems reasonable seeing as the "30" is basicly a straight walled case.
Also,296 burned pretty clean in my pistol loads.

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Old 11-21-2009, 07:11 PM
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H110 and W296 are the same thing, different label... Both are made by Hodgdon/Winchester Powder and if you go to the load data center on their website, you'll note the charges, velocities, and pressures, are identical to the very last number..

You go by the book and the powder, not the description (ie. Mag Pistol Powder).. W296 is a great choice for the .30 Carbine, and yes it also works for magnum pistol loads. I use 14.6gr's between a 110gr FMJ-RN and a Win SR primer in the carbine..
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:06 PM
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....pistol powder? I plan on starting to reload for my carbine and picked up 1# of Win296. I was looking for H110 or W296 and W296 was the first I found. When I got home I read the label and saw "Magnum Pistol Poweder". I rechecked my Hornady book and there it was Win296.
Also popular for .410 shotgun loads.
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:39 PM
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Yes, WW296 is a magnum pistol powder. The M1 Carbine cartridge is more like a pistol round than a rifle round. And yes, WW296 is also used in .410 bore shotshell reloading. I find it one of the best choices for .30 Carbine, .357 Mag. and .44 Mag loads. However, the muzzle flash is pretty impressive in handguns.

I don't know why everyone thinks that 15.0 grs. of WW296 or H110 and a 110 gr. bullet is too hot for the Carbine.

The standard M1 Carbine load is 15.0 grs. WW296 or H110 with a 110 gr. SP/HP/FMJ bullet. Yes, the two powders are identical. However, I have always used WW296 and standard primers for Carbine loads. I have used this load for many years and it works well and is accurate in all of my Carbines.

See the CMP M1 Carbine sales page "Shooting With Accuracy". It is the duplicate of the WWII US military loading. It is the control round load for comparing all other Carbine ammo.

Another excellent load is 15.5 grs. of eiither powder with the Hornady 100 gr. semi jacket bullet. The Speer 100 gr. plinker should be good as well but I have not tried that bullet.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:18 AM
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Thanks guys. It's nice to get a clear answer.
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:21 PM
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These powders are the same, but only after all the corporate mergers. Most manuals still show different charges for each. Maybe older stocks?
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Old 11-23-2009, 06:45 AM
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These powders are the same, but only after all the corporate mergers. Most manuals still show different charges for each. Maybe older stocks?
The difference is about the same as you would get from different lots. As, start low and work your way up.
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Old 11-23-2009, 06:56 AM
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Gents-

WW296 and H110 have ALWAYS been the same propellant. Hodgdon does not make smokeless propellants, they purchase propellants from other manufacturers and sell them with their label. Note that any Hodgdon propellant that is a Ball Powder (trade mark) is made by Olin since they have the Ball Powder technology.

There has never been any difference between H110 and WW296. Canister powders have to meet a set of very specific criteria. The differences you see in loading manuals is an indication of test variability. That variability is a topic for a long discussion.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:26 PM
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I use w296 & h110 in my 454casull ammo for my tc encore pistol & tc encore 20" bullberry sw460mag rifle .
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