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Old 12-06-2009, 05:58 AM
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I understand your concerns and you are correct in the assumption that a rifle round @ 2800 fps or so WILL pass thru someone at close range. You need to be aware, that ANY rounds you fire, even in necessary self defense, YOU are responsible for.

If the shot misses, overpenetrates, etc, and injures or kills an innocent 3rd party, you can be charged, even though your intent was self defense. You need to think thru what you would need and what would best suit your purpose. In an urban enviornment, where houses are close together, a shotgun is about ideal. It's point and shoot and with Number 5 or 6 high brass shot, at the distances you mentioned, it would be ideal for self defense.

Subjects escaping Police custody are looking to GET AWAY, they're not looking to drop in and have coffee with you. They want money, weapons and transportation. Police are going to set up a perimeter and try very hard to capture them. You can provide "layers" around your home to make it 'not attractive' to them. the first would be a fence, the second would be a dog that barks, the third would be keep your vehicles locked at all times when outside or parked in an enclosed garage if possible. the 4th would be keep all doors and windows shut and locked, and the 5th would be to be aware of your surroundings and be a 'good witness'

Try NOT to engage these subjects by yourself. You do not know what their experience and training might or might not be and you do not know how many of them you might have to confront. (multiple subjects).
the main issue is we live out in the woods, and our closest neighbor is about 300 feet away. its ideal for them to break into a house to hide, but like you said it seems layers work, the problem is just about every house on our street/area is surrounded by woods with little visibility to the street, so if a perp wanted to hide he could hide from cops unless they tried to track him with dogs, which they did once.
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:45 PM
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Although you can't have an AR in the PRNJ (MOVE!!!) this is where the AR shines. A standard 55 gr SP,-not a HP- will not exit a body, an exterior wall or ricochet (hope thats right-no spell checker). Mini 14 maybe? Police entry teams are switching from pistol cal subs to M-4s just for this reason, and maybe a little more stopping power.
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Old 12-06-2009, 05:44 PM
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Sounds like an ideal place to have motion detector lights. A long gun, Garand or M1A is difficult to manuever in tight spaces ,around corners and to clear houses with. Remember, that 06 will completely penetrate a 30" oak tree and kill what's hiding behind it @200 yards. You can look around on the net and look for "real military flix". It's a WW2 training film showing what M2 ball and AP is capable of ,as well as the .45 and .30 carbine.

A short barrel (18") shotgun loaded so that the first 2 or 3 are high brass 5 or 6's and the rest are #4 buck or slugs, along with a GOOD flashlight will be alot more effective. What you might think about is setting aside a dedicated room in your house as a 'safe' room. In the event of a home invasion, you and family can gather there and take appropriate action. This room should only have one door (entry/exit) and some heavy furniture to provide you cover. In this room, you would have spare ammo, a back-up gun, that good flashlight, and some water and maybe a cell phone.( all of it concealed) so that the average burglar doesn't spot it.


If you or family come home and find something that doesn't look right, the best thing you can do is back off and call 911. Do not enter and attempt to clear the house by yourself, especially not knowing how many subjects may be involved and if they're armed. Stay safe.
My prison break or bump in the night go to weapon (12GA 18"bbl Mossberg 500 pump 00 Buck) and my backup (XD .45ACP with eleven .45 +P hollowpoints). The best part about a shotgun is that you can have many projectiles (nine 9mm sized ones with 00buck) impacting the body at once. This stands a greater chance of hitting something vital if the perp needs to be stopped.

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Old 12-06-2009, 05:51 PM
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Although you can't have an AR in the PRNJ (MOVE!!!) this is where the AR shines. A standard 55 gr SP,-not a HP- will not exit a body, an exterior wall or ricochet (hope thats right-no spell checker). Mini 14 maybe? Police entry teams are switching from pistol cal subs to M-4s just for this reason, and maybe a little more stopping power.
I was thinking of a Mini-14, but what to go for .223? i though there was a Mini-14 in .30carbine or am i mistaken?
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Old 12-06-2009, 05:58 PM
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I was thinking of a Mini-14, but what to go for .223? i though there was a Mini-14 in .30carbine or am i mistaken?
They are also available in 6.8 and 7.62x39. Still .223 would be the way to go if legal in your location.
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Old 12-06-2009, 06:07 PM
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My prison break or bump in the night go to weapon (12GA 18"bbl Mossberg 500 pump 00 Buck) and my backup (XD .45ACP with eleven .45 +P hollowpoints). The best part about a shotgun is that you can have many projectiles (nine 9mm sized ones with 00buck) impacting the body at once. This stands a greater chance of hitting something vital if the perp needs to be stopped.

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Invest in a good light for the shotgun, prefferably an integrated unit in the forend. Remember, these are in addition to a GOOD flashlight, which should be the primary illumination tool. When you light them up with a weapon light-YOU ARE ALREADY POINTING THE GUN AT THEM!
That is why a handgun is the best tool for night defense. Use the mounted light to illuminate the subject while off hand is used to call 911. Talking citizens here, not police or military.
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Old 12-06-2009, 06:10 PM
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They are also available in 6.8 and 7.62x39. Still .223 would be the way to go if legal in your location.
ive scene Mini-14's in the local gun store, not sure if it was new or used though or what caliber, but you think 223 is the answer, isn't 7.62x39 the russian stuff?
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Old 12-07-2009, 04:43 PM
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Most people I have talked to these days think a pump shotgun is the optimum home defense weapon. Large pellets can stop an intruder and will probably give you some peace of mind if you are still concerned about overpenetration.
The only problem with the pump shotgun IMO is if someone breaks into your house lets say at night and you shotgun is not loaded they will hear you load it with that very distinct sound. So if they have a weapon they know to be alert. I rather have some surprise on my side.
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:00 PM
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The only problem with the pump shotgun IMO is if someone breaks into your house lets say at night and you shotgun is not loaded they will hear you load it with that very distinct sound. So if they have a weapon they know to be alert. I rather have some surprise on my side.
The sound of a shotgun racking is unmistakable. I bet 95% of the morons that would break into a house would run like hell if they heard it.

The 5% that dont probably plan on killing you anyways, so fights on.

Eric
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:01 PM
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while funds are tight, im going to look into a Mini-14 that is .223, and i'll pick up some SP and fmj ammo, and take it to the range and see how she works.

Ide rather have a 15 round burp gun then a single shot pump shotgun, which the ones we have are also unwieldy as well.
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