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Old 12-07-2009, 11:27 PM
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Default Please help me ID this ammo.

I have 17 rounds of ammo metal linked on what appears to be a machine gun belt. The headstamp is "FA 25". Measuring the rounds, they appears to be 30-40 Krag rounds. Was there every a 30-40 Krag machine gun that used a metal linked belt? I have found reference to one around the turn of the century.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:15 PM
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Follow this link. It will take you to a very good web site complete with full color pictures of cartridges. Only issue is, it is in Spanish. You can use Google Translate to view it in English.

The pages include very good full color pictures of cartridge headstamps and the actual cartridge. All the pages begin with a dimensional drawing of the cartridge.

http://www.municion.org/

From your description, it appears the cartridges were manufactured at the Frankford Arsenal, Philadelphia.
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Old 12-09-2009, 12:41 PM
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The M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun (aka - potato digger) was chambered in .30-40Krag. The .30-40 is a rimmed round, so it should be fairly easy to ID.

EDIT - The M1895 used a cloth belt, so that can't be it. If your ammo is in a metallic belt, it's likely using M1 disintegrating links.

Is the projectile round-nose, or spitzer? Round-nose would probably point to .30-03 ammo. Spitzer would probably be M1 or M2 ball.

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Old 12-09-2009, 07:13 PM
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The Krag round is shown in this photo, far right. Notice the rim.


FA is the Frankford Arsenal and the 25 indicates manufacture in 1925. Are you certain it is not 30-06?

The only automatic weapon I know of useing linked 30-40 is the Colt M1985. I am not certain but the 303 British may have been made at Frankford but 1925 seems an odd year. .303 was rimmed and used in machine guns as well though I am not certain which ones.

Pics of what you have would be most helpful.
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:23 PM
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.30-40 Krag is rimmed like .303 or .30-30, not rimless like .30-06 or 8mm. It used a round nose bullet. The M1919 used disintegrating metal links that fit on the front of the cartridge (the feed mech. pulled the cartridge back from the link, dropped down and loaded into the chamber). The M60 link fits at the rear and the cartidge pushes forward out of the link. MG34 and MG42 use non-disintegrating 50 round belts that also grip at the back. The M1919 link goes completely around the cartridge while the others are open at the bottom to allow the bolt to push the cartridge out.
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Old 12-10-2009, 05:31 PM
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I will post some photos later. Everything points to the rounds being 30-40 Krag but the only machine gun belts I had seen referenced were cloth belts as stated above. Maybe someone had some metal links and decided to have some fun with the poor sap that ended-up with them.

The other question that just came to mind is, "Did FA make 30-40 Krag ammon in 1925?"
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Old 12-12-2009, 10:09 PM
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Did FA make 30-40 Krag ammon in 1925?
Not likely. The .30-40 Krag was replaced by the .30-03 in 1903.

It's possible that some joker stuffed some .30-40 Krag into some M1 links but pics would tell for sure. You can always get the micromtere out and start measuring...

.30-40 http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd3040krag.jpg
.30-06 http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd3006.jpg
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