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Old 07-19-2019, 09:04 PM
kecklc0203 kecklc0203 is offline
 
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Default Unsure of Carbine stock cartouche originality

https://imgur.com/a/E9G9NDh

I bought an Underwood carbine today and am curious what members thoughts on the stock markings are.

Stock has what looks like a W in the sling area. A decent GHD UEF on the right side. Also has a P in a square by the trigger guard. And RRA double stamped on the left.

I’m still learning about stock markings. This one gives me some pause and I’m not sure the GHD UEF are original. They seem too. Ice and crisp compared to the rebuild marks.

Last pick is the handguard markings.

I didn’t buy the carbine based on the stock or markings. It was a good deal and has some nice Underwood parts on it. Just curious what those with more experience think.


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Old 07-20-2019, 06:32 AM
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The double stamp does look a little fishy.

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Old 07-20-2019, 06:58 AM
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Red River did use a boxed P on the pistol grip as shown. If it's faked up, which is doubtful in my opinion, then someone went to great lengths to make it look right. Also, I really do like the Underwood cartouche shown. The W in the slingwell looks odd. I would love to see more pictures of the stock, especially the slingwell from further back and inside areas around the trigger housing opening. Thanks
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:09 AM
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M-U and Ordnance stamp look real to me.
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Old 07-20-2019, 12:18 PM
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W = Winchester. Is the bottom front of stock flat?
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Old 07-20-2019, 04:49 PM
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all looks good--its been there and done that--M-U was Marlin for Underwood and W is winchester but marlin made stocks for winchester so smile alot---great rebuild gun stock with a history of where its all been
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Old 07-20-2019, 07:04 PM
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Makes no sense to me.

Square box P area was sanded to hell and then got wet over a long space of time which is what RAISED the square P stamp above the surface that had previously been compressed under the sanding level.

The GHD UEF still has some Korean pattern paint in the stamps. It is sanded to hell. And apparently moisture raised after sanding. The dirt raises up out of the wood. It appears as braille, not a stamp. [edit: the more I look at the cartouche photo, the more it confuses me. Sometimes at some magnifications, I see raised letters shadowing outside the stamp edges and at other magnifications, the shadows seem inside the impressed stamps.].

Is the black dirt stain UP or DOWN?

[edit again: enlarging the photo and using color filters, looking at the H and E, the only thing that makes sense is if the dirt stamp is raised, its right edge reflects light, and the shadow is outside the raised up stamp on the left.]. [Sunrise on the east slope of the Rockies and the Pacific ocean is shadowed.]. Seen it before, but its a screwy stock.

The Red River stamps that show the same moisture. Moisture raised the stamps, possibly after the same heavy sanding.[I think?]

With those anomalies in mind, some one knowing more than me can guess what it is.

The original cartouche was likely sanded to hell and moisture raised it up above stock level after sanding.

Poor storage.

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Old 07-20-2019, 09:09 PM
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https://imgur.com/a/wqm9gUp

https://imgur.com/a/oaXgsRF

Sorry I've been slow to respond. I think these pictures are what was asked above in posts. The stock seems pretty well sanded to me. But I've only handled a few, and never any with cartouches like this one.

Thanks again for all of the responses.

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Old 07-21-2019, 06:00 AM
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Winchester stock. Thanks for the additional pictures.
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Old 07-23-2019, 08:21 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/264407369782

Uh, oh. Is that a pot belly stock?
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