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Old 09-15-2019, 04:41 PM
JimF JimF is offline
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Quite right, BQ97 . . . .

Artillery men . . . mortar men . . . . crew-served machine gun personnel . . . .

They were front line combat troops, BUT . . . .

The carbines they carried were for SELF DEFENSE purposes . . . .ORIGINALLY!!!

As I said, “misson creep” changed that doctrine.

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Old 09-15-2019, 05:31 PM
Whitpusmc Whitpusmc is offline
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I would point out that the infra red sniper version of the M1 carbine was credited with doing an excellent job stopping nightly infiltrations by the Japanese in WW2. Arguably a combat role though also defensive in nature.

Ian and Karl on the Forgotten Weapons YouTube channel argue that the M1 carbine round was an intermediate cartridge like the German STG44 used or the later AR/AKs all of which are multirole Weapons though not battle rifles like the M1 Garand or the K98k etc.
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Old 09-19-2019, 03:12 PM
42Springfield 42Springfield is offline
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The 1938 request from the Army for a better weapon to arm soldiers assigned to artillery, mortar, and machine guns, which led to the M1 Carbine program, never uses the terms offensive, defensive, or self defense. It simply says the following:

"A serious situation will be created if these men are brought into the close-range zone without an effective weapon for close combat. At the present time the only practical weapon available for the purpose is the pistol, and this without a shoulder holster would be ineffective at ranges in excess of 50 yards."

There is nothing further in the request as to the role for the weapon. To me the original role for M1 Carbine was, as stated in the request, for "close combat".
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:58 PM
amd65 amd65 is offline
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In an era when rifles were expected to be used out to 1000yds, 300yds is “close combat”.
The Carbine can do a great job at 200yds and beyond.
Tnoutdoors9 on YouTube shows what a good Carbine can do.

And at 300yds...

Last edited by amd65; 09-19-2019 at 08:17 PM.
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