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Old 06-18-2019, 07:28 PM
AllenGill AllenGill is offline
 
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Default Accurate 2495 in M1

How well will Accurate 2495 work in the M1? I've always used IMR 4895, but Accurate is less expensive. Should I stay an IMR 4895 fan?
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:48 AM
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Accurate lists no .30-06 data for that powder, possibly because of case fill being low. QuickLOAD's data shows the sample measured and tested for the database had much higher progressivity than either the IMR or H 4895s, so that even though its burn rate was slower it made higher peak pressure, somewhere between IMR 4895 and IMR 3031, but lower muzzle pressure, so, it should be OK to use it.

Later...

With further checking, even though Western Powders lists no 30-06 loads for this powder, the Hornady manual includes it in their collection of Garand loads.

150-grain and 155-grain bullets:
40.5 grains to start, 2400 fps
44.6 grains maximum, 2600 fps

168-grain bullets:
37.7 grains to start, 2300 fps
45.5 grains maximum. 2600 fps

Why their maximum is lower with the lighter bullet, I don't know. That isn't the case with their .30-06 bolt rifle loads which go to 51.8 grains for 150s and to 49.7 grains for 168s. I'm just reporting what they list and don't know what they saw in testing to produce that listing result. So, give it a try. See what you think. Let us know.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:04 PM
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Interesting. I don't have the Hornady manual, but I have Speer 12th and 13th editions. Number 12 has a starting charge of 45 (2716 fps) and max of 49 (2716 fps) for the 150 grain bullets. However, they took it out of the 13th edition. If I decide to try it, I'll use the Hornady suggested loads. Thanks for checking.

I wonder how it would work in the M1A 7.62 NATO (308).
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Old 06-20-2019, 06:03 AM
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Accurate 2495 claims to be developed for the 308 win?
anyhow i have found that if a load book does not list a cal for a powder it often is not worth trying.
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Old 06-20-2019, 10:36 AM
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From the Hornady 9th edition showing 2495

https://www.bearblain.com/Service%20...0Loadings.html

Used it a bit as I got a deal on it, there are better options available
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:12 PM
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To corroborate what Mac1911 said, there are lots of .308 Win loads listed by Accurate. The case fill is good with the smaller capacity case.
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Old 07-09-2019, 05:10 AM
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Accurate lists no .30-06 data for that powder, possibly because of case fill being low. QuickLOAD's data shows the sample measured and tested for the database had much higher progressivity than either the IMR or H 4895s, so that even though its burn rate was slower it made higher peak pressure, somewhere between IMR 4895 and IMR 3031, but lower muzzle pressure, so, it should be OK to use it.

Later...

With further checking, even though Western Powders lists no 30-06 loads for this powder, the Hornady manual includes it in their collection of Garand loads.

150-grain and 155-grain bullets:
40.5 grains to start, 2400 fps
44.6 grains maximum, 2600 fps

168-grain bullets:
37.7 grains to start, 2300 fps
45.5 grains maximum. 2600 fps

Why their maximum is lower with the lighter bullet, I don't know. That isn't the case with their .30-06 bolt rifle loads which go to 51.8 grains for 150s and to 49.7 grains for 168s. I'm just reporting what they list and don't know what they saw in testing to produce that listing result. So, give it a try. See what you think. Let us know.
So, I loaded the 30-06 with the minimum load +0 / -.5 grains and tried two clips at 100 yards. Averaged approximately 4 inch group, which was close to the same group size I was getting with HXP surplus. I'll increase the load just a bit and see what that does. I also want to load some 308 and see what the results are.
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Old 07-10-2019, 05:24 PM
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Hornady tenth edition lists the following for A2495 w/150 in the M1:

40.5 2400 fps
42.6 2500 fps
44.6 2600 fps

I have no idea if these loads will be accurate, but mfgrs typically do not list inaccurate loads.
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:30 PM
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Hornady tenth edition lists the following for A2495 w/150 in the M1:

40.5 2400 fps
42.6 2500 fps
44.6 2600 fps

I have no idea if these loads will be accurate, but mfgrs typically do not list inaccurate loads.
The first group was in a Win 13 with a GI 1952 barrel. I have a Springfield with an aftermarket 6 groove Douglas barrel. I may see what it does in it.
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Old 07-13-2019, 11:37 AM
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Hornady tenth edition lists the following for A2495 w/150 in the M1:

40.5 2400 fps
42.6 2500 fps
44.6 2600 fps

I have no idea if these loads will be accurate, but mfgrs typically do not list inaccurate loads.
I have experienced velocity in Hornady (and others) data to be a bit optimistic, perhaps overstated. Chrono it and see what you actually get.

I don't think 2500 is in the sweet spot for accuracy with most 150 grain pills, for me about 2700 is where it's at in the M1.
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