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Old 08-14-2018, 06:50 PM
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I picked up an interesting Springfield M2 on GB from a dealer in Hawaii. It is an early first variant M2, serial numbers 3950, with the correct early M2 bolt, but with non-matching serial number. Metal has been re-parkerized dark-gray. Barrel date is 6-37 and is likely original to the rifle. The stock is an M1 B type issue stock that was converted to an M2 by modifying the pistol grip.

So heres what is interesting, the serial number has an A suffix, 3950A. The suffix is the correct font, perfectly aligned and was present when the receiver was re-parkerized. I, personally, have never heard or seen any type suffix on an M2 rifle. Of course a suffix was added to Model of 1922s, (A), and M1922M1s, (B), which were converted to M2s, but this was not the case for early M2s.

I have asked Herschel for his thoughts and he speculated that it might just have been an error by an SA employee doing a bolt upgrade, although this rifle still has the earlier bolt. I speculated that maybe this was an M2A1 sub-caliber training device and the A suffix may have been to denote this. We know that some 1903 had an A2 suffix added to Model 1903.

Anyway, Id love to hear the forums thoughts on this mystery M2.









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Old 08-17-2018, 12:07 PM
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WOW! Absolutely no interest at all. I'm shocked.

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Old 08-17-2018, 03:08 PM
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http://www.rifleshootermag.com/rifle...gfield_201002/
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:38 PM
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"Records show that between 1933 and 1942, 11,172 M2 rifle were made"

I know it doesnt help you, but just thought I'd add this for posterity and I hope Herschel chimes in here...

This info has been debunked as I have a minty , late M2 with a 17,xxx serial number. I beleive Herschel has one in the low 20,000 range but that might be near where they end.


Nice rifle BTW
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Old 08-17-2018, 07:07 PM
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The highest M2 I have owned was number 18008. It was in near perfect condition.
If I remember correctly the bolt well was in the white. In the '03 Springfield Rifles' Era, Clark Campbell gives a lot of detail about the high numbered M2 rifles.

That is not really relevant to this thread but might be of interest to collectors of the 1922 Series Gallery Practice Rifles.
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Old 08-17-2018, 09:13 PM
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"Records show that between 1933 and 1942, 11,172 M2 rifle were made"

I know it doesnt help you, but just thought I'd add this for posterity and I hope Herschel chimes in here...

This info has been debunked as I have a minty , late M2 with a 17,xxx serial number. I beleive Herschel has one in the low 20,000 range but that might be near where they end.


Nice rifle BTW
You are correct in you comment about total M2 production count, however, that generally applies to the M2 production through fiscal 1942. Brophy lists 11,171 M2's through 1942 and Campbell references 11,335 M2"s. What Clark Campbell also mentions are M2A1's and un-assembled M2's. Basically that includes 5732 M2A1's and 3094 un-assembled parts the were sold post WW2. That pushed potential M2 receivers to 21,137. The highest M2 listed by the SRS is 20148. The highest I found on the internet is 20143.

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Old 08-17-2018, 09:32 PM
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I've read this article a few times and though interesting with some factual statements, the author is mistaken on a few issues. First, the 1922 series of rifles were not built on 1903 receivers. The receivers were built and marked specifically for 1922 production. His rifle, SN 20076 was likely assembled in 1943 or later. It was not made in 1904. Also, the barrel date is not an assemble/production date, it is a barrel production date. His barrel was built in April 1942. Since this rifle was purchased through the DCM in 1957 as surplus, it is highly likely it was originally an M2A1 sub-caliber training device that was obsoleted after the war, assembled as an M2 and sold by the DCM.

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Old 08-18-2018, 01:21 PM
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I have a 1922. M2 serial number 20475. Bolt has serial number electro pencil on the bottom. Barrel date 8-42, no markings on stock.

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Old 08-18-2018, 02:44 PM
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I have a 1922. M2 serial number 20475. Bolt has serial number electro pencil on the bottom. Barrel date 8-42, no markings on stock.
Very nice. Definitely close to the end of M2 production. Is the receiver well under the bolt parkerized or in-the-white?

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Old 08-18-2018, 03:22 PM
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Receiver interior is parkerized, bolt body and handle are in the white.
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