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Old 12-15-2018, 03:31 PM
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After I sent my packet in, the opportunity to purchase an Ithaca 1911 presented itself to me. The only problem was that it had been "modernized" and needed to be restored. What better way to hedge my bet on a CMP 1911? "Worst" case I end up with two!

I blasted the KG Guncoat off and had it parked. Kept some of the modern internals and Colt barrel/bushing since they were fine and would work for me. I replaced the hammer, MS housing and grip safety to repop USGI parts. There was a flat and two holes drilled for a newer front sight. It wasn't terrible, so I decided to leave it as I found a "retro" rear sight that looks GI and lined up height and width wise with the existing from sight.

Would anyone here be able to tell anything about this pistol based on serial number? 12591XX

The slide has the hardened insert at the breech and nice heat treating on the front and by the slide stop that came out with the park job. Receiver has correct FJA mark, ordnance wheel, an 8 on the right side of the trigger guard and a + on the left side. No rebuild marks.

Pictures here, hopefully you can see them: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq26kZcH..._web_copy_link

(I've changed out the wide spur hammer since the pictures)

Thanks for any info that you guys can come up with!
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Old 12-15-2018, 03:54 PM
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Brian,
That's very nice.
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Old 12-15-2018, 05:39 PM
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Brian, I don't have any of the Clawson books, so take this for what its worth!
I have an Ithaca M1911A1 and used the info on coolgunsite to learn all about it. He has a tab called 'ID pages' where you can look at the different parts individually. Using his 'serial number' tab, it says your Ithaca was made in 1944. He says 1944 started with 1235000 and 71,000 were made.

Ithaca and Remington Rand did not manufacture or ship in numerical order.

Like I said, hopefully someone with the Clawson books chimes in. In the mean time, you can use the wayback machine to access wwww.coolgunsite.com

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Old 12-15-2018, 06:06 PM
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I have a couple of 1911/1911a1 books, but not the big Clawson - and it just says Ithaca, 1944 General Stores - so went where needed.

Nice save Brian

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Old 12-15-2018, 06:27 PM
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Thanks everyone. I couldn't say no to the opportunity when it came up. The frame/slide almost seem new.

One place I looked seemed to have it as a 1943 receiver, the other 1944. When I was clicking coolgunsite links earlier none of them worked. I just typed it into the address bar and there it is!
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Old 12-15-2018, 07:20 PM
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After I sent my packet in, the opportunity to purchase an Ithaca 1911 presented itself to me. The only problem was that it had been "modernized" and needed to be restored. What better way to hedge my bet on a CMP 1911? "Worst" case I end up with two!

I blasted the KG Guncoat off and had it parked. Kept some of the modern internals and Colt barrel/bushing since they were fine and would work for me. I replaced the hammer, MS housing and grip safety to repop USGI parts. There was a flat and two holes drilled for a newer front sight. It wasn't terrible, so I decided to leave it as I found a "retro" rear sight that looks GI and lined up height and width wise with the existing from sight.

Would anyone here be able to tell anything about this pistol based on serial number? 12591XX

The slide has the hardened insert at the breech and nice heat treating on the front and by the slide stop that came out with the park job. Receiver has correct FJA mark, ordnance wheel, an 8 on the right side of the trigger guard and a + on the left side. No rebuild marks.

Pictures here, hopefully you can see them: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq26kZcH..._web_copy_link

(I've changed out the wide spur hammer since the pictures)

Thanks for any info that you guys can come up with!
In Clawsons little book it has multiple serial number blocks it could have been in.

1209587-1266134, Mar 1944 7,500 Navel Supply Depot Oakland.

1213512-1268643, Mar 1944 2,000 Raritan Ord. Depot

1217370-1275057, Apr 1944 1,000 Topeka AAF

1222040-1276088, Apr 1944 1,000 Kearney AAF

1214094-1279351, Apr 1944 4,000 Rock Island Ord Depot.

1208701-1279673, Apr 1944 1,621 Hamilton Field AAF.

So it could be in any one of these because they did not ship in serial number order. Hope this helps?

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Old 12-15-2018, 08:53 PM
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Brian, my Blue Book indicates your Ithaca is a 1943 production model.
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Old 12-15-2018, 09:57 PM
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Brian, my Blue Book indicates your Ithaca is a 1943 production model.
I would go with Clawson. He states 1208674 to apx 1235000 to be 1943
and 1235000 to 1279673 to be 1944
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Old 12-16-2018, 01:11 AM
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Who did the park job?
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:50 AM
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Thank you again everyone. If the Clawson book says 1944, I'll go with 1944!

RD69, that's some great info on where it could have shipped, thank you. Even narrowing it down to 6 possible places after all these years is great to know.

The park job (don't say park though, say manganese phosphate. I learned park is a 4 letter word to them) was done by TDC Systems in Willoughby, OH.
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