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Old 08-01-2022, 07:17 AM
Troglodyte Troglodyte is offline
 
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Default Who Actually Used Military Trainers?

I love my .22 trainers, especially now with ammo so expensive, but I've often wondered who they were made for. Who in the military actually used them?!

I joined the Army (combat arms) in 1983 and retired in 2015, and I never saw a Remington 541x on any military firing line. My drill sergeants trained me to use an M16 by issuing me an M16.

My USAF retiree buddy (intel, later public affairs) joined around the same time and reports the same experience. Both of us served in the ranks and later as officers.

From ownership records I've learned that my Springfield 1922 belonged to a USMC Reserve unit in the 1930s, and I can see how a reserve unit might be limited on range space and could use .22LR rifles on an indoor range. But who else used them?

I'd love to hear what you know, and hope some of you can point me to the references that authoritatively answer a question that's been rattling around in my head for a while.
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Old 08-01-2022, 10:00 AM
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I used them at an indoor high school range in the late 60's as a member of the National Defense Cadet Corps and at a dormitory attic range while in Georgetown Army ROTC during the early 70's.
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Old 08-01-2022, 10:38 AM
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High School and College R.O.T.C. 1953-1960 Army Reserve unit 1983-1987
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Old 08-01-2022, 12:19 PM
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I'm reading a book about the 10th Mountain in WWII.
They trained in the Colorado Rockies at Camp Hale.
The did rifle training indoors with .22s when the weather was too severe to use the regular rifle range.
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Old 08-01-2022, 02:10 PM
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iirc with the exception of the m16 .22 conversion kits the rifles ceased being used as trainers prior to the Korean war - after WWII the rifles were acquired for post recreational + shooting team usage - no sense using a bolt action trainer when semi + full auto arms were the weapons in issue -
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Old 08-01-2022, 07:18 PM
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Almost all college ROTC units used .22 target rifles for training and rifle team competition.
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Old 08-01-2022, 08:56 PM
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My high school ROTC unit had a bunch of .22 training rifles. (1975-1978) The normal marksmanship classes used Remington 513Ts, the rifle team had nice Remington 40XB rifles. This was back when students were trusted with live ammo, nowadays, not so much.

My first couple years, we had lightly demilled M-14 rifles for our standard drill rifles. The army recalled them in 1976 and we were issued M1903A3 s.

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Old 08-01-2022, 10:00 PM
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My high school ROTC unit had a bunch of .22 training rifles. (1975-1978) The normal marksmanship classes used Remington 541s, the rifle team had nice Remington 40XB rifles. This was back when students were trusted with live ammo, nowadays, not so much.

My first couple years, we had lightly demilled M-14 rifles for our standard drill rifles. The army recalled them in 1976 and we were issued M1903A3 s.
“Lightly demilled”? Can you be more specific? Just curious….
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Old 08-02-2022, 05:31 AM
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just because a .22 rifle has a U.S. stamp + a DOD property number does not qualify it as a rifle issued for military training -
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Old 08-02-2022, 08:19 AM
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My high school ROTC unit had a bunch of .22 training rifles. (1975-1978) The normal marksmanship classes used Remington 541s, the rifle team had nice Remington 40XB rifles. This was back when students were trusted with live ammo, nowadays, not so much.

My first couple years, we had lightly demilled M-14 rifles for our standard drill rifles. The army recalled them in 1976 and we were issued M1903A3 s.
the ROTC programs utilized them not as trainers , but as teaching tools [ sight alignment , trigger control , + other shooting basics ] - large difference between basic teaching skills + practical training utilization -

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