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Old 11-23-2012, 04:02 PM
Terry Bridwell Terry Bridwell is online now
 
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Cor-Bon DPX is a good option as well.

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=340
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:04 PM
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Box of truth debunked the frozen clothing myth.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot36.htm
Probably the truth was shooting carbines in uncontrolled full auto, missing the target, and shooting at Chinese 300 yards away. In Vietnam, M2s were used VERY successfully.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:21 PM
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that wasn't the point My point is that even very thick cloth is not as tough as wood.

And yes, I know that kevlar is like braided, tough cloth, but the thick clothing of korea during the winter is what you always hear from folks who say the 30 carbine doesn't penetrate.
I'm confused. My stance is I like to err on the side of penetration. I never mentioned anything about the .30 carbine not penetrating through thick clothes. I don't believe that stuff either. Imarangemaster put up a link to penetration and performance of the .30 carbine. I would think even FMJ would do the job. But like I said, the HP's that meet the requirements might be "better" for self defense in stopping someone. But I'm not really sure how much better. I've never shot anyone with either. Nor deer. So, my point is I don't think I'd be overly nervous if all I had on hand was some FMJ .30 carbine.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:56 PM
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Even the FMJ yaw and tumble pretty well. Check this about 5 minutes in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=L6SyFPvTDEY
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:31 AM
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Here's some tests of 30 Carbine JSPs in water jugs from an AMT Automag III, which would be about the same as a M1 Carbine at 100 yards...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My-LG-v1d7s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ab9iJPz2HI
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:13 AM
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I like Hornady products and probably will buy some.

BUT.....I think the claims made by them are bull and what they say about FMJ isnt true.

This video shows their claims to be false for the FMJ original loading.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2tkgIdX6ak
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:59 PM
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It's interesting to note that the claims of poor performance are from cold winter areas and the claims of successful performance are from warm areas. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if both are true and the problem is the cold weather reduces the velocity of the bullet to the point it is ineffective against cold weather clothing.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:14 PM
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interesting

? that had not occurred to me... I can see how heat would affect a round more than cold, but once ignited, would the bullet / cartridge be that affected? (I don't know)

The barrel would be cold, cold and suddenly a cold bullet with hot gasses behind it...
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:59 PM
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The problem is the powder. Cold powder burns slower than warm powder which burns slower than hot powder. It wouldn't seem that weather temperature differences would make much difference but they do.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:08 PM
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I do know that in Korea, they say it was downright scary cold at times. I mean fatal cold. I'm from WI and we've had some pretty cold weather before. I remember one winter when I was a kid that the wind chills were somewhere in the 50 below area. I guess I should google and make sure it was really that cold. But we didn't go out much then. Just think about having to do anything in that weather. Be out in it and try and fire your weapon. If you're out in that kind of weather for periods of time, to put it simply, you can die. And frostbite and all that. I'm sure it could affect weapons.
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