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Old 07-06-2019, 04:23 PM
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I can assure you first hand that Winchester knows what powders and projectiles are safe in a Garand rifle.

Slow burning powders combined with HEAVY projectiles (200gr plus) WILL destroy a M1 rifle. Seen it happen on several occasions when shooters purchased the wrong 30-06 for their M1 due to inexperienced and unknowledgeable sales people selling any 30-06 on the shelf.
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Old 07-06-2019, 04:31 PM
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'In spec' for what era?

1938 or now?

Commercial loadings have gotten ever heavier through the years, aided by more progressive burning powders.

They are loading for modern bolt action rifles.

The Garand is neither modern nor bolt action.

Eric at Garand Gear has demonstrated gas cylinder pressures from some modern 150 grain cartridges that exceed the highest observed in actual military spec cartridges loaded for the M1.

Will you actually cause damage? Debatable. Is shooting this modern stuff well advised?

Well, it's your rifle and you're closest to it.... you decide.

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Old 07-07-2019, 04:32 PM
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This thread is still a thing? For Pete's sake the box of Win ammo has a GI shooting a Garand on the side. Safe bet that it's fine for the M1. But....make sure you have the right grease. The right grease is critical for M1 operation.
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Old 07-07-2019, 04:44 PM
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'In spec' for what era?

1938 or now?

Commercial loadings have gotten ever heavier through the years, aided by more progressive burning powders.

They are loading for modern bolt action rifles.

The Garand is neither modern nor bolt action.

Eric at Garand Gear has demonstrated gas cylinder pressures from some modern 150 grain cartridges that exceed the highest observed in actual military spec cartridges loaded for the M1.

Will you actually cause damage? Debatable. Is shooting this modern stuff well advised?

Well, it's your rifle and you're closest to it.... you decide.

That's the beauty of America.
How do you know this??


Plenty of 30-06 autoloaders out there in civvy world...they manufacturers know this and load accordingly...
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Old 07-07-2019, 06:34 PM
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How do you know this??


Plenty of 30-06 autoloaders out there in civvy world...they manufacturers know this and load accordingly...
Not all civvy world autoloaders have the identical gas system as a M1 Garand.

In fact none do. And those civvy autoloaders should be designed with the various loads in the commercial market. I believe Hornady Superformance loads caution about use in autoloaders (civvy) “Safe but some systems work better than others”.
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Old 07-14-2019, 06:56 PM
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Not all civvy world autoloaders have the identical gas system as a M1 Garand.

In fact none do. And those civvy autoloaders should be designed with the various loads in the commercial market. I believe Hornady Superformance loads caution about use in autoloaders (civvy) “Safe but some systems work better than others”.
Correct they have worse more violent gas systems then the garand and its the safest of them all....as explained on Hornadys website.
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Old 07-14-2019, 07:17 PM
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Correct they have worse more violent gas systems then the garand and its the safest of them all....as explained on Hornadys website.
Sure they do...and they work with pretty much all ammo without breaking anything. How is the Garand “safer”. Are we in danger shooting other semi autos?
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Old 07-15-2019, 07:08 AM
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Not all civvy world autoloaders have the identical gas system as a M1 Garand.

In fact none do. And those civvy autoloaders should be designed with the various loads in the commercial market. I believe Hornady Superformance loads caution about use in autoloaders (civvy) “Safe but some systems work better than others”.
Correct they have worse more violent gas systems then the garand and its the safest of them all....as explained on Hornadys website.
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