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Old 07-10-2019, 04:42 PM
pmclaine pmclaine is offline
 
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Default Winchester Model 70 with RIA stamp

Never heard of Winchester Model 70s having an RIA armory stamp.

Any thoughts on this boxed RIA over FK?

Rifle is prewar, 5 Digit.

https://imgur.com/a/ioWrayU

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Old 07-10-2019, 05:25 PM
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Any way to tell if the barrel has been changed? Any other work could have been done by the Arsenal? Lyman put on by the Arsenal? How old is that model?

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Old 07-10-2019, 05:30 PM
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Any way to tell if the barrel has been changed? Any other work could have been done by the Arsenal? Lyman put on by the Arsenal? How old is that model?

Mike
Pre WWII.

Marines bought some 300 or so of them but Ive never heard those were marked special in any way.

Guessing other services may have bought some, perhaps those were stamped at some point?

Think these would have been rebuilt at unit level not back to armory.
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Old 07-10-2019, 05:41 PM
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A large quantity of USMC M1903 rifles were sent to RIA for overhaul in late WWII, and they exhibit RIA/FK stamps. One can only speculate, however at this point, if the shipment included Winchester M70's.

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Old 07-10-2019, 06:14 PM
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How does the stamp look? Legit?

Doesnt seem to make sense humping it with an RIA/FK if it was such a possibly rare happening.

@cplnorton is pretty familiar with USMC M70s.
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:31 PM
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most but not all, Winchester Model 70 rifles from the 1940's will have a date under the barrel example 42 for 1942
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Old 07-11-2019, 05:39 AM
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most but not all, Winchester Model 70 rifles from the 1940's will have a date under the barrel example 42 for 1942
The barrel is marked 1906 and 42 under the barrel, forward of the receiver.
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Old 07-11-2019, 09:38 AM
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Back about 75-76 I was stationed at Picatinny Arsenal and drew small arms inventory officer duty. There was a Marine Reserve Battalion on post and when I inventoried their weapons they had 4 M70's, all pre war, for issue to unit members for hunting. Did not pay attention if they had anything other than standard markings. It is possible these were purchased for such use, although why a RIA rebuild and/or inspection is curious to say the least.
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:40 AM
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Around 1940 or 1941, the USMC evaluated some Model 70's for adoption as sniper rifles. The evaluation team recommended the Model 70, but senior officers decided to stick with the Model 1903 rifle because of logistics considerations. With a 1942 barrel dated, the Model 70 under discussion would not likely be one of those.

As I recall, the USMC bought some Model 70's in 1942 before production was suspended, but I don't recall what they did with them. I'm reasonably confident that the rifles were not issued as sniper rifles, but may have been used for training.

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Old 07-11-2019, 02:38 PM
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I've been really digging into this Model 70 history at archive locations and the books have the history of them all jacked up. I probably will keep this somewhat vague, because I think I'm going to try to publish these docs in some way. So I'm not going to give exact detailed numbers, or the exact dates. Though I do have the docs that detail both.

But every book details the 373 that the Marines bought in April 1942 and from these the Marines built their Model 70 snipers for Vietnam.

But this isn't even the tip of the iceberg on the Model 70's.

First, two weeks after the first order. The Marines placed a second order in April 1942 for another almost 80 model 70's. Which there were six different models of the model 70 in that 2nd order.

Then the Chief of Ordnance Springfield Ordnance District (Army) in August 1942 bought over 2,800 M70's in four separate shipments.

This is not all the Army ones bought in 1942 either. I have smaller orders as well going to different Army installations/depots. The Army was trialing some Model 70's as snipers in 1942, but decided against them.

I still also am missing orders of Model 70's by the Marines. As by 1952 the Marines are detailing they have over 2,500 of them.

Nearly every Marine unit had a supply of model 70's for rifle practice, or competition against other Marines.

I also have found the Vietnam sniper docs that detail the counts for the US Army and Marines, and the total amount of Model 70 snipers used were right about a 100 rifles Combined between both branches.

So just not a lot of military model 70's became snipers.

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