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Old 03-24-2018, 04:47 PM
1hdrocks 1hdrocks is offline
 
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Default Making progress- 110 gr w/ Varget

First time trying Varget with the Sierra 110's. Pretty giddy about this load.
I am shooting high and right as I have not readjusted my sights yet. Wasn't concerned where I would hit, just looking for groups. No Chrono. 100 yards from the bench. SR-1 center.

47.0 grains...8 rounds, all in the black. 4-10's, 4-9's. Adjusting left would have put 2 more in the 10 ring.

48.0 grains...12 rounds, all in the black. 2-X, 3-10's, 7-9's. Adjusting left would have gained 3 more X's and 2 more 10's.

49.0 grains...8 rounds, 1-10, 5-9's, 2 just outside the black. Again,adjustment would have put them all in the black. Interesting thing here, at least to me, the 5 shots in the 9 ring are a beautiful little cluster measuring 3/4" by 3/4".
First time this gun has produced such a nice cluster.

Maybe not match work at this point but definitely quite pleased with the results.
Used Federal GM215M primers, after trying to find some for about 5 months.
Shooting a 4.33 SA SG with a decent SA stock, good lockup but not great. Haven't done any mods since receiving it. I have ordered a new stock which should be here next week, anxious to get that put on. Would also like to try a smaller rear aperture. Overall a great day at the range with some very promising results.
Had been slightly frustrated as I had been trying some 3031 and 4064 loads that weren't doing quite what I thought they should. Had a couple really good groups with both but couldn't quite replicate them with any real consistency. Hopefully the Varget can change this.

Again, thanks to the folks that turned us on to these little beauties.
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Old 03-24-2018, 07:30 PM
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With 110s, I get my best groups with a starting load of 4350.
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Old 03-25-2018, 08:48 AM
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1hdrocks,what brass are you using and what’s is the overall length?
Those are the exact components I was planning.
I presume you are using the Sierra 110 hp and not the round nose carbine bullets.
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Old 03-25-2018, 09:23 AM
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Buddy, yes, using the Sierra 110 gr HP. Also using HXP 68 brass, once, twice, or three times fired at this point. COL is 3.090, exactly as posted by Ceresco and a lot of others using this load. I have previously played with a few different COL's and haven't seen any notable difference on target.
Based on my results last week I am going to try a 48.5 grain load. Once that's done I'm picking my charge weight and loading up, I got some shootin' to do.
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Old 03-25-2018, 10:30 AM
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Might mention a few points. I have had problems igniting reduced charges of Varget in cold weather. It is a reasonable assumption that this phenomenon exists at higher ambient temperatures. Magnum primers are not enough to insure uniform ignition. Low start pressure is the fundimental problem here--lite bullets and no crimp. Hodgdon told me that VarGet is unsuitable for reduced loads. At their starting (110gr bullet) load of 55grs--3308fps, the advantages of reduced recoil and economy are lost, although accuracy would likely be good. Hodgdon has stated that H4895 is the slowest powder that will be suitable with reduced loads. Their recommendation is that you can go down to 60% of their max H4895 load. This is .6 x 57 = 34.2grs. I have had good results with lite bullets using VarGet at around 50gr at times, but H4895 is probably a better choice. Might also mention that IMR 3031 works well with reduced charges, but does not meter very well with standard volumetric dispensers. Hodgdon does not list slow powders such as 4350 and 4831 for lite bullets and my experience is limited here for two reasons: general agreement that slow powders are not suited for M1s and the presence of much unburned powder in the bore. In general, I rely on bullets of 110 to 125gr, a variety of (faster) M1 powders, any magnum primers, velocities around 2900fps, OAL around 2.09" and most any brass (not Hornady, however). A proven load for all US 30-06 CMP games rifles would be the Hornady 110gr spire point at 2.09" OAL, #34 CCI, H4895 or 3031 at 2900 fps in HXP brass. Go from there. Good Shooting. ...

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Old 03-25-2018, 03:07 PM
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Might mention a few points. I have had problems igniting reduced charges of Varget in cold weather. It is a reasonable assumption that this phenomenon exists at higher ambient temperatures. Magnum primers are not enough to insure uniform ignition. Low start pressure is the fundimental problem here--lite bullets and no crimp. Hodgdon told me that VarGet is unsuitable for reduced loads. At their starting (110gr bullet) load of 55grs--3308fps, the advantages of reduced recoil and economy are lost, although accuracy would likely be good. Hodgdon has stated that H4895 is the slowest powder that will be suitable with reduced loads. Their recommendation is that you can go down to 60% of their max H4895 load. This is .6 x 57 = 34.2grs. I have had good results with lite bullets using VarGet at around 50gr at times, but H4895 is probably a better choice. Might also mention that IMR 3031 works well with reduced charges, but does not meter very well with standard volumetric dispensers. Hodgdon does not list slow powders such as 4350 and 4831 for lite bullets and my experience is limited here for two reasons: general agreement that slow powders are not suited for M1s and the presence of much unburned powder in the bore. In general, I rely on bullets of 110 to 125gr, a variety of (faster) M1 powders, any magnum primers, velocities around 2900fps, OAL around 2.09" and most any brass (not Hornady, however). A proven load for all US 30-06 CMP games rifles would be the Hornady 110gr spire point at 2.09" OAL, #34 CCI, H4895 or 3031 at 2900 fps in HXP brass. Go from there. Good Shooting. ...
Do you have a powder charge range that will get us close to 2900fps.
I know the reduced loads of H4895 below 37 grains with 155s will not cycle my rifle.
Iím also looking to use 8208 With the 110s but as you stated it seems stout by load data standards and wonít be doing much to reduce recoil
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Old 03-25-2018, 03:44 PM
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1hdrocks,thanks to you and Ceresco for your reply’s.
We will await the results of the 48.5 test and what you decided on.
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Old 03-25-2018, 05:14 PM
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I use the excellent Lyman Reloading Handbook(s) for velocity levels. My chronograph indicated that their data was right on, with due consideration of barrel length variations. Good Shooting. ... BTW--An issue M1 should cycle 100% with 37gr of 4895 and 155gr bullets.......are you using a new, aftermarket op rod spring???

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Old 03-25-2018, 08:21 PM
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I use the excellent Lyman Reloading Handbook(s) for velocity levels. My chronograph indicated that their data was right on, with due consideration of barrel length variations. Good Shooting. ... BTW--An issue M1 should cycle 100% with 37gr of 4895 and 155gr bullets.......are you using a new, aftermarket op rod spring???
Sir yes at 37 grains of H4895 and 155s my garand will cycle. ....less not so much. Hodgdons reduced loads using the 110 bullets at 34.2 Im doubt full that will cycle ?
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Old 03-25-2018, 09:27 PM
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Ceresco, very well aware of your experience with reduced Varget loads in cold weather, that's one of the reasons I have waited until now to use it, finally warming up. Hoping I won't experience it with the warmer conditions but will cross that bridge if it happens.
I have also experienced that the Lyman data was spot on versus my chrono using 3031.
What I have experienced to this point is the Varget loads seem to be much more accurate than the 3031 loads I have tried with the Sierra bullets. Guess I may want to try the Hornady 110 and/or some H4895.
Thanks
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