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Old 03-25-2018, 10:48 PM
ceresco ceresco is offline
 
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OK....Hodgdon's formula defines the maximum amount of load reduction possible, consistent with "good" results....not a formula for M1 rifles. I have suggested that 2900 fps is a velocity that balances economy, case fill, recoil reduction and acceptable velocity variations. Applying 60% to 57grs (a max Hodgdon H4895 load for the Hornady 110gr spire point) is 34.1grs. It may indeed take more to cycle a M1 and even more (approximately 48gr of H4895) to attain 2900fps. You might try 34.1grs for a bolt rifle and 100yd matches, but certainly not a M1 at 200yds. Use around 48grs for consistent results in all weather and distances out to 300yds in any 30-06. Experiment with greatly reduced loads if you wish. Sorry if I confused anyone. Might mention that there is a lot of variation in different loading manuals when you look at H4895 30-06 loads; Speer vs Hodgdon for example. Good Shooting....

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Old 03-26-2018, 08:51 AM
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OK....Hodgdon's formula defines the maximum amount of load reduction possible, consistent with "good" results....not a formula for M1 rifles. I have suggested that 2900 fps is a velocity that balances economy, case fill, recoil reduction and acceptable velocity variations. Applying 60% to 57grs (a max Hodgdon H4895 load for the Hornady 110gr spire point) is 34.1grs. It may indeed take more to cycle a M1 and even more (approximately 48gr of H4895) to attain 2900fps. You might try 34.1grs for a bolt rifle and 100yd matches, but certainly not a M1 at 200yds. Use around 48grs for consistent results in all weather and distances out to 300yds in any 30-06. Experiment with greatly reduced loads if you wish. Sorry if I confused anyone. Might mention that there is a lot of variation in different loading manuals when you look at H4895 30-06 loads; Speer vs Hodgdon for example. Good Shooting....
thank you, I dont have a lot of time to experiment so i try to pull as much as i can from all you folks
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Old 03-26-2018, 10:43 AM
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[...] Applying 60% to 57grs (a max Hodgdon H4895 load for the Hornady 110gr spire point) is 34.1grs. It may indeed take more to cycle a M1 and even more (approximately 48gr of H4895) to attain 2900fps. You might try 34.1grs for a bolt rifle and 100yd matches, but certainly not a M1 at 200yds. Use around 48grs for consistent results in all weather and distances out to 300yds in any 30-06. Experiment with greatly reduced loads if you wish. [...]
As a FYI for others working on certain of these aspects; not exactly comparable I know but I have found the following for my particular Garand:

IMR 4895
110gr Armscor FMJ
38 grains minimum to cycle action
40 grains for acceptable accuracy (4 shot group into less than 1" @ 50 yds, w/ scope)
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Old 03-26-2018, 07:42 PM
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Not exactly the same as you, but I'm working on a 125 TNT and varget combination. So far 49.5 grains of varget, cci34 primer COAL 3.2 has produced excellent accuracy in my A3.
Not so much in my new criterion barrel garand, but that rifle is having it's own set of issues. Anyway, the granand was showing slight low pressure signs with the above mentioned load. I'm really hoping to find a load that works in both my A3 and garand to simplify things at the loading bench.
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Old 03-26-2018, 08:21 PM
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Oh Yes....48-48.5 of H4895 and a Hornady 110 (I use the gummy tip Amax) will make most M1 operators smile.
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Old 04-10-2018, 07:06 PM
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Little update. Tried the 48.5 gr load of Varget, shot on par with the 48.0 load, definitely like the 49.0 load better. I am changing direction with this but if I return to the Varget loads I would try a few above 49 grains.
Anyway, based on the recommendations here I've decided to try the Hornady 110 SP. I will be testing them with 3031 and IMR 4895, don't have any H4895 at this time.
Question for the all weather shooters. I see Ceresco and others recommend magnum primers in cold weather, do you use magnum primers year round?
All of my testing has been done with CCI 250 or Fed GM215M. I would like to stick with the magnums unless there is a benefit to not using them year round.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:34 PM
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Little update. Tried the 48.5 gr load of Varget, shot on par with the 48.0 load, definitely like the 49.0 load better. I am changing direction with this but if I return to the Varget loads I would try a few above 49 grains.
Anyway, based on the recommendations here I've decided to try the Hornady 110 SP. I will be testing them with 3031 and IMR 4895, don't have any H4895 at this time.
Question for the all weather shooters. I see Ceresco and others recommend magnum primers in cold weather, do you use magnum primers year round?
All of my testing has been done with CCI 250 or Fed GM215M. I would like to stick with the magnums unless there is a benefit to not using them year round.
I run the #34 primers in my military rifles. The point you mentioned is why I like varget. It's the least temperature sensitive powder you mentioned.
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Old 04-10-2018, 08:51 PM
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No downside to magnum primers, I would use them all the time, except I still have thousands of standard primers lying around. Gold Medal (Magnum) Match Primers, I only use for the sniper match. VarGet may be temperature insensitive, but it is not easy to ignite and I repeat: Hodgdon said not to use it for reduced loads. I was shooting Hornady 110gr spire points into less than 2" at 200yds today with a M1 and 44grs H4895. That is a proven load!! I like 3031 but it does not meter well, same but to a lesser extent of IMR4895. I really like the H4895. Good Shooting. .... Addendum: Might mention that I have been testing the Nosler SPS blem 125gr. 310" red tips against Hornady 110gr spire points. Accuracy at 200yds is pretty close-- with the Hornady slightly better. The Noslers are so inexpensive that I couldn't resist buying a bunch with the intent of making them work. I don't completely trust plastic tips, but so far, so good. The .310 diameter and extra 15grs suggests a slightly increased "start pressure", possibly improving performance of reduced loads......... studied comments welcome..

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Old 04-11-2018, 06:28 AM
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Liked H4895 so well I've heard you went through a 50LB Keg..
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Old 04-11-2018, 02:41 PM
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No, that was H4831, cost me $55. I had to learn to like it.....but I did. Good Shooting. ...
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