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Old 02-20-2021, 05:21 PM
Griff557 Griff557 is offline
 
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Default CZ 457 vs Savage MII

How do the the CZ 457 with a bull barrel and the Savage MII bull barrel compare to each other accuracy wise ? They both are available with a 24Ē barrel. Would either one of them be competitive shooting 50í NRA small bore targets ?
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Old 02-21-2021, 12:15 AM
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I would go with a rifle designed for small bore bullseye shooting, which neither is. Finding an old school Winchester 52,75 Remington 513 541 40x or similar is a more appropriate platform. FWIW I do have a mark II I use in nrl22 matches and is a good gun for the price.
I shot small bore in my younger years and used a Remington 37. The modern guns would need a fair amount of modifications and tinkering to get them to where you need 5hem compared to a traditional small bore bullseye rifle
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Old 02-21-2021, 05:43 AM
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Appreciate the info. I shoot an older Anschutz 1407 I was asking for a club member that has a hard time handling the weight of his 40x with a scope. It sounds like the CZ and the Savage could do the job but it might take some fiddling to do it
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Old 02-21-2021, 09:34 AM
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Default Do not dryfire the Savage mk 2

It looks as if can safely dryfire, but not so. Forget the details of my examination.


NRA Light Rifle competition is better venue.

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Old 02-21-2021, 07:43 PM
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If the 40x weight is an issue, look for the slightly lighter Remington 513, Winchester 75 or some of the lighter anschutz 64 series rifles. Also don’t forget things like moss berg 44.
The guns originally designed with youth small bore use in mind.
Another option would be to have the 40x barrel lightened or a “sporter” weight barrel installed.
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Old 02-22-2021, 10:18 AM
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So, a friend of mine built himself a 3 position smallbore rifle using a CZ452 (the predecessor to the 457). The action is good, but you have to make a lot of other changes to make it work. He installed a Lilja barrel and bought an aftermarket stock and had a UIT rail fitted for a handstop and a 4 way buttplate added. He added a bloop tube and decent sights to finish it. The gun shoots well, but his trigger still is a bit stiff. It will hold the 10 ring on an A17 target, but I'm not sure how it would do on the USA50 or A36.

I am a lefty, so I struggled with a solution for smallbore. For a long time I shot a Winchester 52D and just reached over to work the action, which sucked because I couldn't keep the rifle in my shoulder between shots. I tried doing something similar to my friend with a left handed Savage Mk II target model. I put it in a different stock and made it adjustable, and added an aftermarket trigger. Mine will also clean an A17, but not a USA50.

I finally found a left handed Anschutz 2013 for a decent price and bought it. It is light years ahead of any of my other smallbore rifles that I own. The action and barrel may not be *that* much better, but the trigger and adjustability of the stock make the difference. I can shoot a full prone string without breaking position, I can set the stock just so for offhand and then completely re-configure it for sitting or kneeling.

Depending on how serious your friend is, you can go out and shoot and have fun with the CZ or the Savage, but your friend may get frustrated because the guns just won't shoot to his/her potential.

Just my opinion, YMMV....
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Old 02-22-2021, 04:52 PM
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So, a friend of mine built himself a 3 position smallbore rifle using a CZ452 (the predecessor to the 457). The action is good, but you have to make a lot of other changes to make it work. He installed a Lilja barrel and bought an aftermarket stock and had a UIT rail fitted for a handstop and a 4 way buttplate added. He added a bloop tube and decent sights to finish it. The gun shoots well, but his trigger still is a bit stiff. It will hold the 10 ring on an A17 target, but I'm not sure how it would do on the USA50 or A36.

I am a lefty, so I struggled with a solution for smallbore. For a long time I shot a Winchester 52D and just reached over to work the action, which sucked because I couldn't keep the rifle in my shoulder between shots. I tried doing something similar to my friend with a left handed Savage Mk II target model. I put it in a different stock and made it adjustable, and added an aftermarket trigger. Mine will also clean an A17, but not a USA50.

I finally found a left handed Anschutz 2013 for a decent price and bought it. It is light years ahead of any of my other smallbore rifles that I own. The action and barrel may not be *that* much better, but the trigger and adjustability of the stock make the difference. I can shoot a full prone string without breaking position, I can set the stock just so for offhand and then completely re-configure it for sitting or kneeling.

Depending on how serious your friend is, you can go out and shoot and have fun with the CZ or the Savage, but your friend may get frustrated because the guns just won't shoot to his/her potential.

Just my opinion, YMMV....

Thanks for all the info. The friend is just a casual/club shooter. I donít think he has the money or interest to invest in an Annie. He is somewhat handicapped so he only shoots offhand and prone. I was hoping/wondering if the CZ would work for him without spending a bunch of money and time.
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:27 AM
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For a casual shooter either of the two listed rifles would be fine. I would favor the CZ (in a target/varmint configuration) but the Savage is a deal for the price. Don't overlook the Ruger Precision Rimfire or the Tika T1x which have excellent reviews. I have a personal soft spot for the vintage rifles and believe any of the ones mentioned would be a great fit. Remington 521T makes a nice accurate sporter weight rifle and the Mossberg 44 is accurate and not too "overweight".
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Old 02-23-2021, 01:12 PM
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Thanks for all the info. The friend is just a casual/club shooter. I donít think he has the money or interest to invest in an Annie. He is somewhat handicapped so he only shoots offhand and prone. I was hoping/wondering if the CZ would work for him without spending a bunch of money and time.
Sounds like the CZ is a good approach then.

Or a vintage 513T or Mossberg M44 for similar money.

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