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Old 10-08-2019, 04:25 AM
USRaider USRaider is online now
 
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Default M1 Helmet Identification: Did I Get a Fake?

Hello all! I bought this helmet with a liner, Mitchel pattern cover, and cover strap. It looks the part and that's really what matters to me in this particular helmet.

However, I noticed it was fixed and not swivel bale. One bale stands kore vertically than the others. Then when I removed the cover and liner, it looked like it had no rim at all. And, the chinstrap can not be fastened around the backside if the helmet. At this point, I am assuming I have a knockoff steel pot.

Did the US ever make fixed bales like this with short straps? Is this from another country's military? Did I get a commercially made lookalike?

Thanks for your time! Album linked below

https://imgur.com/a/Skl27TZ

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Old 10-08-2019, 08:24 AM
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It's fine, albeit very sloppily repainted. I think the rim is still there, it's just buried under loads of paint. It is not uncommon for chinstraps to not be long enough to secure to one another on the backside of the helmet, especially on the earlier fixed bail variants. It also appears that one of the bailes has been slightly bent which is the reason that they do not appear to be angled symmetrically.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:30 AM
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Thank you for the response, it is interesting to think that I may have an older helmet.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:18 PM
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Thank you for the response, it is interesting to think that I may have an older helmet.
It may be wise to keep everything together. Judging by the looks of the helmet and your description of the cover and band, you may have an original (not pieced together) Vietnam era set.
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:36 PM
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That is a good idea, I think I-ll do that
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:47 PM
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It may be wise to keep everything together. Judging by the looks of the helmet and your description of the cover and band, you may have an original (not pieced together) Vietnam era set.
Fixed bail steel pots were long gone from US inventory by the Vietnam war but that is not the case with ROK, South Vietnamese forces. So , to define that helmet as a VN war ear example, its more accurately to call it a South Vietnamese or ROK or Thailand forces helmet set.

Last I looked 10 yrs ago, a WWII fixed bail steel pot with original web straps on it could easily sell for $100. There is some lesser value if the helmet is repainted as this one is.
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Old 06-04-2020, 08:44 PM
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Fixed bail steel pots were long gone from US inventory by the Vietnam war but that is not the case with ROK, South Vietnamese forces. So , to define that helmet as a VN war ear example, its more accurately to call it a South Vietnamese or ROK or Thailand forces helmet set.

Last I looked 10 yrs ago, a WWII fixed bail steel pot with original web straps on it could easily sell for $100. There is some lesser value if the helmet is repainted as this one is.
Sorry, but I've personally seen photos and read reports of fixed chinstrap loop M1's still in use by US servicemen during the Vietnam conflict and afterwards. Not all helmets in supply were updated to swivel bailes and clip attached chin straps as shown in the photo below (swivel bail with sewn chinstraps). Never say never, there's always exceptions.

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Old 06-06-2020, 01:41 PM
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Just delivering the facts from a guy who was in the Viet Nam war. You are entitled to what you believe. Obviously I am bias by my experience and believe what I lived and saw.
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Old 06-06-2020, 04:34 PM
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Just delivering the facts from a guy who was in the Viet Nam war. You are entitled to what you believe. Obviously I am bias by my experience and believe what I lived and saw.
I have no first hand experience or any strong convictions on the matter. Just going off of reported information found during research. Not everyone's experiences or recollections on the subject tend to correlate.

Were you Army or USMC Skip? I assume that the USMC would be much more likely to not have updated equipment in their supply at that time.
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Old 08-05-2020, 01:24 PM
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I have no first hand experience or any strong convictions on the matter. Just going off of reported information found during research. Not everyone's experiences or recollections on the subject tend to correlate.

Were you Army or USMC Skip? I assume that the USMC would be much more likely to not have updated equipment in their supply at that time.
My father in law was in A/5/12 199th Light Infantry Brigade from Aug 69-Aug 70, and he said the 1st 3-4 months there, they still had M14s instead of M16s which most say the M14 was gone by 67 for front line troops. He was 11B, so not rear echelon. This didnít just come from him, but from the 5 others that I personally know, that he served with. They, all said their M16s were new, didnít have forward assist, and some came out of the crate with so much corrosion in the gas tubes to be incapable of being used.

When I was in in the late 80s, there was still steel pots as not all of us had Kevlars. When in Africa in the early 90s there was still a few WWI & WWII weapons still in use, so I learned that while rare in some cases, nothing is impossible
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