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Old 04-21-2015, 01:02 PM
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Gwehr43 left out the ammo flexibility of the AR platform - no concerns about bullet weight, and powder burn rate bending the op rod. No wood? I consider that a plus - I am not a furniture refinisher, and don't want to start now.
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Old 04-21-2015, 01:54 PM
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Scout:

yes, Sorry I forgot that one.... well those two actually.

Another one............. Don't like the Direct gas system, ok get a piston upper. Want a single shot, you can do that too.

Another one........... Want a 22lr upper for training, hunting whatever? No worries- they are easily available and cheap.

OP: What I'm saying is if you want a M14, buy it. But buy it as an M14 and don't think it's easy or cheap to modify or play with. Accept the wood and lack of any real versatility.

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Old 04-22-2015, 09:31 PM
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There's nothing wrong with either a AR10 or M14 clone as long as they are made with good quality parts. The AR tends to be quite a bit heavier than the M14 type in combat dress. Once a M14 is fitted up to National Match standards the weight is approximately the same. I own both models and enjoy each. I prefer the M14 type rifle but then again I spend a decade on a military shooting team behind real National Match M14's so I'm biased and admit it. The AR is far easier to the owner operator to customize. AR's are the LEGO's of the gun world.
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Old 04-22-2015, 10:39 PM
Gewehr43 Gewehr43 is offline
 
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They are the "legos of rifles" for sure.................

But I'm not so sure about the weights:

A colt MARC 901 w/ Heavy barrel is (according to them)....... 8.4lbs

http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/MARC901Series.aspx

An M14 according to Wikipedia is 9.2 lbs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M14_rifle

According to Colt the monolithic upper is 9.4lbs. But they are 6.5" shorter..............


There are, of course, other manufacturers and models.

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Old 04-23-2015, 12:01 AM
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I'm leery of shooting an AR style rifle with mil surp .308 ammo. Ammo designed for the M14, does not do well in an AR style rifle. But then, one normally doesn't burn through as much ammo as a GI, so there may not be problems.
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Old 04-23-2015, 06:21 AM
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I'm leery of shooting an AR style rifle with mil surp .308 ammo. Ammo designed for the M14, does not do well in an AR style rifle. But then, one normally doesn't burn through as much ammo as a GI, so there may not be problems.
I don't know where you get this. I have two LR308s I built and all I shoot out of them is mil surp ammo and they do great.

I also have three M14s I've built and use the same ammo for all five rifles.

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Old 04-23-2015, 08:29 AM
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WC846, the powder used in USGI 7.62x51 ammo, has a higher ammount of det coating(CaCO3) that is not good, or suitable for use in AR style rifles. That is why WC844 was developed, to be used in USGI 5.56mm ammo.

Read the last 5 paragraphs, but the last paragraph says it all. For some reason I can't get it to copy and paste.

http://www.thegunzone.com/556prop.html
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Old 04-23-2015, 08:41 AM
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Funny I worked in a big shop that was local and sold 100's of the SAI M1A's from the late 80's to about 2010 or so. Just did not see all the problems and outcry of failed parts and guns that people bring up.

Just like all the so called failed barrels on the Smith M&P 10 308's.....

Not going to say it does not happen but I have 6, several are shot a lot and some are not.
I can not speak for long range on them as most are only 100 to 200 yard guns that is all I have range distance for and one NM I do shoot longer range from time to time.
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Old 04-23-2015, 10:01 AM
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All gun companies have failures. When a boutique company has one noone says much. Sai has over 300000 guns out there. Guna have a few more failures than a company with 2000 serial numbers. I own 2 sai m1as and my buddys krieger barreled fulton and lrbs dont shoot any better. So i care that they shoot good and i spent the extra money on ammo.
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Old 04-23-2015, 11:49 AM
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Sailorman:

Clearly in 1967 there were issues with the M16 and the powder used. The whole point to that article though is they finally recognized the problem in 1970 and solved it. And in the 45yrs since then, its a non issue.

But to stay with your point, then the M14 would build up the same excessive carbon shooting USGI ball. But since you don't like the direct gas system........... ok buy a piston 308 AR.

So they are now both piston designs. And if the AR fails, the M14 will too, thanks to the excessive carbon.

In fact the powder issue was addressed in 1967. Now, the AR 5.56 or 308 is not hindered by powder issues. Also the 308 version vs the 556 version, while they can be the same direct gas system, they do not have the same dimensions as far as port size, gas tube etc and so it's not a reasonable comparison.

But even if I'm wrong........... Get a piston one if you prefer.

I will give the M14 credit in ease of cleaning....... the parts are open and relatively free of nooks and crannies. The AR systems use a lot of q-tips and dental picks.

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