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Old 09-23-2017, 07:43 PM
Gewehr43 Gewehr43 is offline
 
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Fast foward to near the present day.
In Desert Storm the Navy Seals went ashore in Kuwait with M14's instead of the M16. And they can use pretty much anything they choose...

They new the M14 is better in sand, and better for the long range of desert country.

Move to the present day, and we have seen a rebirth of the M14.

Taking lessons learned from "modding" the M16, we now have the M14 EBR platforms.

The Basic action and "working parts" of the M14 have not changed, just the "stuff" fitted to the working barreled action.

Which says a LOT about the viability and reliability of the basic M14 design, IMHO.

The only 308 Battle Rifle with the same reliability in all conditions is the
H&K G3.
Sir:
Desert Storm was 26yrs ago.............
The EBR program essentially ended about 5yrs ago............

There is nothing new here and certainly not a "rebirth" of the M14.

The retrofitting of the M14's for an EBR rifle removed pretty much all the parts except the receiver. They had a new barrel after all.............. so not even the barrelled action remained.

Instead of the G3............ many of the 308 AR's are much better suited for any activities now..................
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:51 PM
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The retrofitting of the M14's for an EBR rifle removed pretty much all the parts except the receiver. They had a new barrel after all.............. so not even the barrelled action remained.
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Martin, This not true of all versions of the EBR - of which there are many (e.g., Mk14 Mod 0, Mk14 Mod 0/SEI, Mk14 Mod 1, Mk14 Mod 2, M39, Mk14 EBR-RI and M14T). Some used the original GI barrels. Rick
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:33 PM
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OK...... fair enough.... I stand corrected.
No worries.
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Old 09-23-2017, 10:16 PM
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OK...... fair enough.... I stand corrected.
No worries.
I do agree with you that the EBR is a stopgap. The amount of EBR's outnumber all other 7.62 rifles currently in service and it was a very cost effective and timely way to put 7.62 rifles in the hands of troops. However, there are other designs that are definitely superior. This comes from a guy who really likes M14's.
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Old 09-25-2017, 09:20 AM
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If you tried to use their barrels to break anything you would have to slide the barrel under the banding and pry up. At that point the banding just slides down the barrel and you get no leverage. We tried it one time when I was a much younger soldier trying to check the veracity of the stories. Guess what it did not work, and there was no force applied on the barrel to bend it.
You weren't hungry enough

If you got the barrel parallel to side of box, slide muzzle under wire, then took a couple of steps to side and brought muzzle *over* the wire, the wire was locked between FSB and flash suppressor (regardless of type). Just continuing that rotation increased tension until the wire snapped--visualize twisting a tourniquet, until you snapped the rag. It did require a conspiracy of at least two: one to work the rifle, and one or more to hold the ration box. Did it myself a time or two and witnessed it many more...
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