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View Poll Results: EIC pistol in which caliber?
9mm 2 13.33%
.45 10 66.67%
.38 Super Comp 3 20.00%
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Old 03-25-2019, 11:47 AM
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Default .45 vs 9mm vs .38 Super Comp for EIC

My local club hosts as-issued CMP pistol matches, which I plan to take out my 1942 Colt to shoot in as soon as I can find a USGI bushing for it. But, I'd really like to shoot some EIC matches. I have an early 70 series Colt .45 and a 1991A1 9mm. I figure on trying both to see which I prefer.


I bought the 9mm specifically for EIC matches since I was looking for a Springfield RO, but came across the Colt cheaper. Reading on the bullseye forum, the .38 Super Comp seems to be preferred more than 9mm since they feel it shoots better with lighter loads. I love .38 Super and don't need any excuse to load a rimless variant. But the folks here have shot in more EIC matches than I've ever been to. If it's only the upgrade of a barrel, bushing, and extractor tune to go to .38 Super Comp, does it have a good enough reputation in CMP circles to be worthwhile? At a minimum, I plan to weld up and refit the factory 9mm barrel before fitting a new bushing. Thanks.
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:40 PM
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I legged out before the rules changed with a SA 1911A1 in .45 ACP and 230 grain FMJ bullets.

With the current rule changes, a .45 using 185 JHP's is a really good way to go. Using that bullet, I shot a 273 a couple of years ago at OKC. Not bad for a Grand Senior.

I have toyed with a Range Officer in 9mm, but it is certainly not as accurate as the .45.

I have never run into anyone at a EIC match using the .38 Super. Most are using .45's with a smattering of 9mm's.
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Old 03-31-2019, 02:17 AM
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I appreciate the info. I keep watching the votes, too.



I've heard the 9mm can be very accurate, and seen what the service teams were doing with the Beretta compared to the 1911 in .45 before the rule changes not mandating FMJs. But, my understanding is you have to push the 9mm a lot faster to get that accuracy. I was reading that folks were getting the same accuracy with the .38 Super and Super Comp at around 730fps vs 1050fps for the 9mm. I don't mind milling the slide on the 1991A1 for a Bo-Mar type sight, but am hesitant on the 70 series, still. Maybe I'll mount one in the factory sight cut for now? The 70 series has a very old MMC adjustable rear sight in it; the previous owner used to shoot IPSC with this 1911 in the '70s and '80s.
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:05 PM
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You can use a 38 super in EIC matches?
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Old 04-09-2019, 04:18 AM
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You can use a 38 super in EIC matches?

4.1.3 Approved U. S. Service Pistols and Commercial Equivalents

The following U. S. Government Service Pistols or commercial versions of the same type and caliber may be used in CMP-sanctioned Service Pistol Matches, provided they comply with Rules 4.1.1 and 4.1.2.


a)U. S. Government or Colt M1911 Service Pistols or commercial versions of the same type (M1911). These pistols maybe chambered for the 9x19 mm, 10 mm, .38 Super or.45 ACP cartridges and must have a barrel length not more than 5.100.
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Old 05-26-2019, 09:32 AM
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Quick update. My local club has an upcoming match that I'm not sure what it's called, but it requires a stock 9mm to .45, fixed sights only, and has the following course of fire shot at 25 yards:


5/5 one or two handed in 5 minutes

5/5 right handed in 5 minutes
5/5 left handed in 5 minutes
5/5 one or two handed in 70 seconds


Since I used up my .45 practice ammo last week, I took some 9mms to see how I did. It was humbling... So, I rested on the bench and fired five rounds and found I threw them all over the top half of the target with the 1991A1 9mm. I was firing 115gr. MagTech ammo. I fired the same ammo in my old HK P9S and shot it a lot better, but my sights aren't regulated for it and it puts them all 5" above POA. I'm going to try to load up some slower 147gr. ammo and see if I can get the HK to POA/POI for next weekend's match, then swap to the .45 that is the consensus in the poll above. I don't think I have any competitive future in bullseye, but I hope to go have some fun and improve! Now if I could only shoot my steel challenge revolver in this match, I think I'd be set! I've been shooting frequent 2-2.5" groups at the same distance with it. I might be able to pull that off with moon clips loaded with 9mm cases instead of the .38 Short Colt loaded to 9mm pressure that I've been doing, but it doesn't have fixed sights.
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Old 05-26-2019, 10:35 AM
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They are shooting the as-issued match from the Games rule book.
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Old 05-26-2019, 02:16 PM
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Thanks. I didn't know it was CMP-affiliated. I'll go look up the rest of the rules. I don't have a plethora of fixed-sighted autos, apparently, and who knew the Colt 9mm was going to throw them so bad?! If it's as-issued, I might ought to go with my 1943 Colt, then.
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Old 05-26-2019, 02:34 PM
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I've been trying to get a Range Officer in 9mm to shoot. They are finicky. This one likes the Browning 147 grain flat point bullet factory rounds the best.
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Old 05-26-2019, 02:56 PM
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I was talking to a buddy that is a retired Marine 2112, and he said don't bother with the 9mm, go to .38 Super or Super Comp. I think I'm just going to stick with .45 for a while. I hadn't even thought about not being able to disable the Series 80 safety on the 1991A1 9mm, which my .45s don't have. I do love .38 Super, so I'm sure I'll fit a second barrel, eventually. I'd shoot my Series 70 .45, but the friend that gave it to me replaced the rear sight with a very old MMC adjustable when he was shooting IPSC in the '80s, so it doesn't meet the requirements for this upcoming match.


I ordered a case of Atlanta 147gr 9mm and 400 Speer 147gr TMJs. I think I recall reading the TMJs weren't very accurate, but I figured they were cheap and I need the practice. I'll be doing a lot of dry firing between now and the match.

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